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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby LobsterJ » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:50 pm

Oh my Jesus Ntkrist is like GOSD on 11.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby habitual » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:51 pm

LobsterJ wrote:Oh my Jesus Ntkrist is like GOSD on 11.


Scooter is actually a great deal smarter.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby LobsterJ » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:53 pm

habitual wrote:
Scooter is actually a great deal smarter.

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I sadly concur.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby Liam Rodgers » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:01 pm

habitual wrote:
Scooter is actually a great deal smarter.

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LobsterJ wrote:
I sadly concur.


Wow that really hurts, ladies. Shutting me out and gossiping like that, I tell ya that really cuts deep.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby habitual » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:02 pm

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I sadly concur.


His tantrums are the best though :groucho:

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby achilles » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:06 pm

habitual wrote:
Check your post history.

Back on topic: I agree with achilles, Zimmerman will most likely be found guilty of manslaughter, an appeal though is a real stretch. The judge has a sterling reputation and has handled the trial fairly well.

Watching West have kittens about the child abuse charge this morning was highly entertaining.

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I don't know about the judge's reputation, but it took a huge hit here. Very experienced reporters covering trial beats have already said they've never seen behavior from a judge like this. And I counted about 7 different grounds for appeal before it got too much.

Basically, she's favored the prosecution on nearly every motion, while being openly hostile to the defense. It seemed like she was trying to hand them grounds for appeal, as well as trying to force the jury to convict.

So, yeah, I disagree, I think he'll appeal and win.

Hell, the police departed completely from procedure in many ways. It seems to have been actually more poorly investigated then the OJ trial, and the prosecution was accused of quite a bit of misconduct. That's aside from what the judge did.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby habitual » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:08 pm

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I don't know about the judge's reputation, but it took a huge hit here. Very experienced reporters covering trial beats have already said they've never seen behavior from a judge like this. And I counted about 7 different grounds for appeal before it got too much.

Basically, she's favored the prosecution on nearly every motion, while being openly hostile to the defense. It seemed like she was trying to hand them grounds for appeal, as well as trying to force the jury to convict.

So, yeah, I disagree, I think he'll appeal and win.

Hell, the police departed completely from procedure in many ways. It seems to have been actually more poorly investigated then the OJ trial, and the prosecution was accused of quite a bit of misconduct. That's aside from what the judge did.


Don West objecting to a judge's question I thought was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of from a trial lawyer.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby Liam Rodgers » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:11 pm

habitual wrote:
His tantrums are the best though :groucho:

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It's not a tantrum, it's a jihad. Get used to it. :wink:

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby achilles » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:34 pm

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Don West objecting to a judge's question I thought was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of from a trial lawyer.

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I don't blame him. The judge was biased from the start, and didn't even bother to try to conceal it. Hell, she gave him "more time" to respond to the third degree murder with "child abuse" charge the prosecution dumped on him minutes before---ONE HOUR, over lunch!

She was absurdly biased.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby habitual » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:41 pm

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I don't blame him. The judge was biased from the start, and didn't even bother to try to conceal it. Hell, she gave him "more time" to respond to the third degree murder with "child abuse" charge the prosecution dumped on him minutes before---ONE HOUR, over lunch!

She was absurdly biased.


There was more than one trial attorney saying he was lucky he didn't walk out of that court room in shackles.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby achilles » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:53 pm

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There was more than one trial attorney saying he was lucky he didn't walk out of that court room in shackles.

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I haven't seen a single one say that. Regardless, she just handed grounds for a successful appeal to them right there, as it was clearly an attempt to prejudice the jury. What she did there is NEVER done.

The judge NEVER asks the defendant if he intends to testify. She finds out when the defense rests and he has or has not. She certainly doesn't do it in front of the jury while reminding him he has the "right to remain silent", thus impugning his credibility.

She also didn't allow Treyvon's texts about his love of fighting, and the fights he's been in, or the guns he wants to buy or has. Or pretty much any evidence helpful to the defense.

I wouldn't be surprised if she was actually suborned by someone. We already know the former police chief was fired for not arresting Zimmerman, even though he thought the evidence wasn't there. And we also know that both the investigation and the prosecution were very abnormal, designed to get one conclusion rather than the truth, and in at least one case criminal.

When all is said and done, the judge might be the one in shackles if there's any justice.

The case is about one thing and one thing only, and the prosecution summed it up in their closing statements by essentially saying that the jury is racist if they don't convict Zimmerman, about the most blatant appeal to racism I can recall in a trial.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby habitual » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:57 pm

The jury wasn't in the room when she asked the question.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby Thunderstorm » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:18 pm

achilles wrote:The case is about one thing and one thing only, and the prosecution summed it up in their closing statements by essentially saying that the jury is racist if they don't convict Zimmerman, about the most blatant appeal to racism I can recall in a trial.


White people need to get over that word. It's pretty much the N-word for white people. Of course, nobody will fire you if they suspect you might be a nigger. So it's kinda worse.

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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby bkthomson » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:22 pm

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White people need to get over that word. It's pretty much the N-word for white people. Of course, nobody will fire you if they suspect you might be a nigger. So it's kinda worse.

Never liked the n word myself. Too much negative connotations to it.
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Re: Zimmerman/Martin Trial Thread

Postby Thunderstorm » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:29 pm

bkthomson wrote:Never liked the n word myself. Too much negative connotations to it.


It's not a good word.

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