ElijahSnowFan wrote:Just look at Ultron over the years, in this series. Just put this series aside, and look at what he has done over the years.
He's a self-aware robot who is brilliant, doesn't just have cognitive function but actually the ability to think, plot, plan and build.
This sentient robot who can't be killed, in an indestructible body, who wants to kill the Avengers and all humanity, built the Vision and Jocasta. On ANYBODY'S list of most powerful Avengers, the Vision is easily, what, Top 5 or 6? Depending on who you ask, maybe even Top 2 or 3?
OK. Not only have we established that Ultron HIMSELF can't be killed, he's capable of creating things that are more powerful than 99 percent of the Avengers who serve! While yes, the Vision and Jocasta betrayed him -- and I'm not saying that those particular beings could be replicated, because they were unique -- but why not just build more robots without compassion, without compunction, without mercy?
OK, I know you'll appreciate this: it's long-winded rant time!
first of all, OK, let's clarify...Ultron's body is NOT indestructible. if it was, why are we on (approximate guess here, as I've lost count over the years) Ultron-23 at this point? don't tell me it's because he's constantly upgrading...he's not Tony Stark. Ultron upgrades because he gets destroyed...be it through hex bolts, vibranium arrows, vibranium knuckles, dudes made of pure ionic energy ragdoll-ing him until his internal circuits break, whatever...dude gets broken. because he's not always made of adamantium and even when he is, adamantium has weaknesses and vulnerabilities. the Avengers boast gods, synthezoids (who technically is more powerful than Ultron), ionic dudes, mutant witches, super-geniuses who can write computer code and viruses to counteract his non-physical threats, rich kings with access to other technological and natural wonders which can offset his physical strengths...I don't buy it. yeah, he's a badass. yeah he's powerful. and yeah the Avengers should never ever EVER take him lightly. but the Avengers have the people, abilities, and wherewithal to fight him.
as for the ability to plot, plan, think, learn from mistakes, etc...I didn't realize these were purely robotic characteristics.
the Avengers can do that too, especially when you take into account the tactical and scientific geniuses they boast on their roster.
the building other robots thing...he's done that too. plenty of times. dozens and hundreds of merciless killer Ultron drones. but you have to remember...adamantium is RARE. it ain't like he can run down to Home Depot and pick it up by the crate. he has to save it for himself...the drones get lesser metals out of necessity. OTOH, you have to remember he didn't truly create Vision, he modified him. and Vizh betrayed him. so he tried a different model with Jocasta. who spurned him. and again with Alkhema. who betrayed him. he's since learned his lesson that any sort of sentient "thinking machine" he creates is eventually gonna turn on him, so no he just sticks with the drones. but the drones in the end are just robots. tough robots, yes. but simple robots nonetheless, and those are just target practice for Avengers.
lastly, you and Twigg bitch about Ultron being one-note (this should be your first, last and only necessary clue that you need to reconsider your argument: you're agreeing with Twigg
, for God's sake), but he's really not: yeah he's a murderous robot intent on killing all humans, but there's more beyond just that. hell, he may have the worst set of daddy issues in the entire Marvel U, and that is saying something. he decries human emotion yet exhibits just as much by "living" for revenge on the Avengers, hating/loving Pym, wanting to surround himself with his own "family" via Vizh, Jo, Alkhema, Victor Mancha, etc. Mark 12 escaped programming to become "good." the beauty of Ultron is in his simplicity: his motives and intent are always constant, yet his methods and means are always different. how is that different from nearly any other Marvel villain?