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Age of Ultron #8: Yep, I still like it (Spoilers)

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ElijahSnowFan

cheese

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Thu May 16, 2013 7:52 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:So ESF, your reaction to people describing why they dislike it, which you asked for, is to mock their opinions as ridiculous in the same way you were complaining people who don't like the book mock the people who do? Interesting. :P


You know what? I honestly didn't mean to make it seem like I was mocking anyone -- but I acknowledge that's how it reads and looks, and I'll take the hit for that.

Really, what I was trying to say more -- and, again, I absolutely could've written it differently -- is that as much as I dislike the concept, heroism and moral obligations...they've always been a bit shaky with all of the characters that we know and like.

It is frustrating, because I absolutely agree with what you said -- I didn't want Wolverine to kill Hank Pym. I didn't want to see Iron Man beat the living hell out of Captain America in Civil War. I hate hate hate hate hate that Marvel hung Charles Xavier's death on Scott Summers.

But I also can be honest enough to admit that what I believe heroism to be is...well, nobody seems to enjoy that anymore. I could've read Flash stories where he fought Professor Zoom, the Rogues, Gorilla Grodd, all in a row, every month, and put them in jail every time, Silver Age style, and Iris West doesn't have to get killed.

But not enough people seem to want it that way. Civil War sold about a billion copies. People liked seeing Iron Man punching Captain America. I don't know...I wish it was different.
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ElijahSnowFan

cheese

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Thu May 16, 2013 7:54 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Done.

See, ESF? That's how a hero acts.


SWEET. The problem that you have is that since you're a hero, now you've gotta get an ass-whooping. :-D :-D :-D
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Thu May 16, 2013 7:58 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:I didn't want to see Iron Man beat the living hell out of Captain America in Civil War.


Now hold on just a moment. If I remember correctly, it was the other way around...

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...Cap (who was right) beat the living hell out of Iron Man (because he deserved it) and then gave up because the Village People attacked him.

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:P
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ElijahSnowFan

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Postby ElijahSnowFan » Thu May 16, 2013 7:58 pm

I mean, I argued that Billy Batson was clearly a better character when he was a pure spirit, a good kid. And I remember getting shouted down that nobody wants to read about a character like that. It was...that was disheartening.
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ElijahSnowFan

cheese

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Thu May 16, 2013 8:01 pm

Grayson wrote:
Now hold on just a moment. If I remember correctly, it was the other way around...

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...Cap (who was right) beat the living hell out of Iron Man (because he deserved it) and then gave up because the Village People attacked him.

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:P


Ha! People always remember that sequence, but the funnier one was a few issues before that when Iron Man beat the hell out of Captain America, when Mark Millar had it so Iron Man's armor delivered a bunch of "targeted strikes" that were so fast that Steve Rogers couldn't block them. He pretty much put Captain America in traction. :-D :-D :-D
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Thu May 16, 2013 8:06 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:Ha! People always remember that sequence, but the funnier one was a few issues before that when Iron Man beat the hell out of Captain America, when Mark Millar had it so Iron Man's armor delivered a bunch of "targeted strikes" that were so fast that Steve Rogers couldn't block them. He pretty much put Captain America in traction. :-D :-D :-D


Cap beating Iron Man was the definitive beat down from Civil War. Cap and the Anti-Registration side would have won if it hadn't been for the untimely intervention of the Village People. If they were fighting by professional wrestling rules, then Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side would have lost by disqualification as a result of outside interference. So Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side will always be cheaters to me.
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ElijahSnowFan

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Postby ElijahSnowFan » Thu May 16, 2013 8:10 pm

Grayson wrote:
Cap beating Iron Man was the definitive beat down from Civil War. Cap and the Anti-Registration side would have won if it hadn't been for the untimely intervention of the Village People. If they were fighting by professional wrestling rules, then Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side would have lost by disqualification as a result of outside interference. So Iron Man and the Pro-Registration side will always be cheaters to me.


HA! I've got no problem with that -- I read Civil War, and while the concept sounds good, at the end of the day, Jude's right. Having superheroes fight each other was not something that was all that enjoyable to see.
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu May 16, 2013 8:13 pm

Especially not now that it's the ONLY thing we see.
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Thu May 16, 2013 8:26 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:HA! I've got no problem with that -- I read Civil War, and while the concept sounds good, at the end of the day, Jude's right. Having superheroes fight each other was not something that was all that enjoyable to see.


In all seriousness, I think that is something we can all agree on. I'm tired of seeing heroes vs. heroes. Marvel has great villains and I'm glad that some writers are starting to notice that and use them again.

At the end of the day, it just pisses me off that Marvel did such a bad job with Cyclops during Avengers vs. X-Men. Don't get me wrong, Cyclops is one of my favorite Marvel characters and I agree with Punchy that he has become one of the most interesting characters in comics today but they wanted to turn him into this morally ambiguous character and they botched it badly. Now you have Cyclops running around as a wanted man while you have other characters in the Marvel Universe doing even shadier and more underhanded things than Cyclops ever dreamed, all while of their own sound mind and body. Wolverine regularly takes it upon himself to hunt down and murder people and absolutely nobody cares. He actually went back in time, murdered a hero, and completely altered the space-time continuum because he took it upon himself to deem it necessary. When this event is over with, Wolverine is going to go back to running a school for children, while Cyclops is going to continue being persecuted and hunted for something he did while possessed by a cosmic entity. It just doesn't make any sense.

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Postby MikeinLA » Thu May 16, 2013 8:26 pm

The funny thing is, Marvel's history is predicated on the heroes not getting along and fighting amongst themselves. It happened all the time, over matters a lot more trivial. Now, with comics being more "mature", the stakes to these conflicts have been raised and the good guys come across as anything but.
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu May 16, 2013 8:28 pm

MikeinLA wrote:The funny thing is, Marvel's history is predicated on the heroes not getting along and fighting amongst themselves. It happened all the time, over matters a lot more trivial. Now, with comics being more "mature", the stakes to these conflicts have been raised and the good guys come across as anything but.


That's a great point.
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Postby guitarsmashley » Thu May 16, 2013 8:34 pm

I don't think anyone has hated AoU more than me around here and this issue was the best of the series thus far and would even be a great issue if it weren't for the last page. OH NOES!!1 STARK CARRIER THAT ISN'T GOING TO EXSIST IN TWO ISSUES IS CRASHING INTO FAKE MARVEL NEW YORK@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Other than that it was a really really really good issue.
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu May 16, 2013 8:39 pm

guitarsmashley wrote:I don't think anyone has hated AoU more than me around here and this issue was the best of the series thus far and would even be a great issue if it weren't for the last page. OH NOES!!1 STARK CARRIER THAT ISN'T GOING TO EXSIST IN TWO ISSUES IS CRASHING INTO FAKE MARVEL NEW YORK@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Other than that it was a really really really good issue.


What I liked about it was that even though alternate universe Tony Stark is obviously supposed to be a mistrustful fascist, he has better morals than real Tony Stark. :lol:
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Thu May 16, 2013 8:50 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:What I liked about it was that even though alternate universe Tony Stark is obviously supposed to be a mistrustful fascist, he has better morals than real Tony Stark. :lol:


Speaking of alternate universe Tony Stark, what the crap was up with him absolutely refusing to believe that Wolverine and Sue Storm could actually be exactly who they say they were? After spending most of the issue denying the truth, he entertained the idea for all of 2 panels before immediately falling back on "It's a Trap!" I get the fact that a lot of bad shit went down in the skewed alternate timeline but we know that there was a war between Latveria and Asgard, we know that Morgan le Fay is the primary antagonist of the timeline, and we know that there is a Defenders team led by Doctor Strange. It's not outside the realm of possibility that time travel exists and therefore, so does an alternate timeline.
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BubbaKanoosh

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Postby BubbaKanoosh » Thu May 16, 2013 8:52 pm

So wait, who is dead in this? Pre-universe timeline altering?

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