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[Victorian Squid]

It's out (officially)! And if there weren't a snow emergency going on I would probably have lurked around in my LCS all day, because the 10 minutes I was there were hilariously funny. (More on that later)

Post your thoughts here! (Also for Avenging Spider-Man 15.1)

I should probably put another line of text here before the blackout.

Two to be safe.

The rape or not rape debate is already raging elsewhere!

Log-Man, you need a code?

[Rockman]

So does this mean that Peter gets to be all pissy to MJ when he eventually gets back because she didn't love him enough to know the difference?

That's how it happened in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Fringe

[Rockman]

So does this mean that Peter gets to be all pissy to MJ when he eventually gets back because she didn't love him enough to know the difference?

That's how it happened in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Fringe

[Victorian Squid]

"Doddling" instead of "dawdling".

Nice work, mister editer!

[Chris]

So does this wrap up the trilogy of shit that was Clone Saga, OMD, and now this?

We could also throw Sins Past in there for good measure.

Marvel really can't help themselves when it comes to Spider-Man..

[Victorian Squid]

So does this wrap up the trilogy of shit that was Clone Saga, OMD, and now this?

We could also throw Sins Past in there for good measure.

Marvel really can't help themselves when it comes to Spider-Man..

It really is soapy. Now it's like when the soaps starting really losing viewers and they had to resort to more and more stunts to grab attention and headlines. And it worked for them too...for a little while.

But, like soap operas were becoming culturally obsolete because most women weren't sitting at home with three TV stations all day, Spider-man comics are fighting that same battle because people have other ways to fill their leisure time, and the comics aren't affordable as such anyway. People still found dramas to watch, cable tv is full of them. But the soap operas kept shrinking. People will flock to see a truly terrible Spider-man movie, but the comics will keep shrinking too without stuff like this.

I have already sold 3 Avenging Spider-man #15.1s for over 3x the cover price.

[GLX]

I have already sold 3 Avenging Spider-man #15.1s for over 3x the cover price.

[Victorian Squid]

No comic company has ever cared about the "greater scheme of things". Every comic you've ever loved was simply people trying to sell some comics that month.

That's the way of commercial art.

Hey don't blame me, "I'm just in it for the money, honey."

[MoneyMelon]

So does this wrap up the trilogy of shit that was Clone Saga, OMD, and now this?

We could also throw Sins Past in there for good measure.

Marvel really can't help themselves when it comes to Spider-Man..

They're well past being merely a trilogy of shitty stories. It's been the dynasty of crapola since about 1995

[misac]

It really is soapy. Now it's like when the soaps starting really losing viewers and they had to resort to more and more stunts to grab attention and headlines. And it worked for them too...for a little while.

But, like soap operas were becoming culturally obsolete because most women weren't sitting at home with three TV stations all day, Spider-man comics are fighting that same battle because people have other ways to fill their leisure time, and the comics aren't affordable as such anyway. People still found dramas to watch, cable tv is full of them. But the soap operas kept shrinking. People will flock to see a truly terrible Spider-man movie, but the comics will keep shrinking too without stuff like this.

I have already sold 3 Avenging Spider-man #15.1s for over 3x the cover price.

This will probably piss off Dan Slott too.

[Victorian Squid]

This will probably piss off Dan Slott too.

What'd they sell like $2mil of #700 or something like that? I don't want to hear it!

But if I twittered, I'd expect to be blocked!

Now who wants a free code for #700?

Don't make me sell that too! I will do it!

[Juan Cena]

It really is soapy. Now it's like when the soaps starting really losing viewers and they had to resort to more and more stunts to grab attention and headlines. And it worked for them too...for a little while.

But, like soap operas were becoming culturally obsolete because most women weren't sitting at home with three TV stations all day, Spider-man comics are fighting that same battle because people have other ways to fill their leisure time, and the comics aren't affordable as such anyway. People still found dramas to watch, cable tv is full of them. But the soap operas kept shrinking. People will flock to see a truly terrible Spider-man movie, but the comics will keep shrinking too without stuff like this.

I have already sold 3 Avenging Spider-man #15.1s for over 3x the cover price.

I thought the soaps declined because they toned down with all the sex scenes.

[ElijahSnowFan]

No comic company has ever cared about the "greater scheme of things". Every comic you've ever loved was simply people trying to sell some comics that month.

That's the way of commercial art.

I'm honest enough to admit that this statement is true, that, as a whole, comics companies don't truly care about what they're selling as long as it is selling. I get it, acknowledge it, understand it.

But Wacker should be honest enough to acknowledge that many creators do care about what they do, that they are doing their best to put out material that is "good."

This turn of events in Spider-Man...take out all the personalities, the leaks, the emotion. Then ask yourself this question: Is this truly a good story? Is this the kind of story people would want to read about Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man, if it was their first exposure to the character?

I don't think it is, and that's the problem I have with this storyline. You can change Peter Parker's status quo...Marvel NOW! did it with many characters, longstanding franchises. Those changes, at least for the titles I've been reading, are all good, with the condition that I need to see a few more issues of Bendis' X-Men to make sure I understand where he's going with it. I think I get it, but I want to make sure.

But this deal with Spider-Man? I guess I'm really struggling to understand why this would be considered a good story, and to me, that's the problem Spider-Man has had, as MM said, for a really long time now: The stories themselves just haven't been good. This is no exception, and the salt in the wound is that Parker "lost" on pretty much every scale anyone would care to measure.

[MoneyMelon]

Steven Wacker declaring that they're officially just going for gimmicks instead of doing good stories pretty much guarantees I'll wait until this era is done.

Gimmicks are ok if you tell a good story around it. The new Ultimate Spider-Man is an example of that. Replacing Peter Parker with Miles Morales was an obvious gimmick to pique people's interest. But Bendis took that concept and made him into a really likable character you wanted to read about. And I love the book.

Amazing Spider-Man is....none of that. It's a bad concept from the get-go.

I wish they took the route Mark Waid took with Daredevil. No "this changes everything forever!" crap. He changed the tone of the book and does great stories issue after issue. It feels new and fresh but it doesn't rely on gimmicks.

And, holy shit....I just looked this up on the Marvel ap. This thing is $8!

[Victorian Squid]

Current twitter feed of Rich Johnston and Stephen Wacker on whether Otto-in-Peter's-body seducing an unknowing Mary Jane would be rape or not:

21m Rich Johnston ‏@richjohnston
@StephenWacker I was trying to say why I found it interesting. You ignored the use of the word "Redemption" in the same headline.
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19m Stephen Wacker ‏@StephenWacker
@richjohnston So did everyone. You know what you're doing.
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13m Rich Johnston ‏@richjohnston
@StephenWacker You folk create these books with moral quandries.Dan did it with Starfox and She Hulk too. I'm looking to explore them.
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12m Stephen Wacker ‏@StephenWacker
@richjohnston Understood...and you know how to get hits "sexy" headlines while doing it. Where's your disagreement?
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10m Rich Johnston ‏@richjohnston
@StephenWacker I thought it was an interesting headline, not a screaming desperate one. Given the topic I wanted to be measured.
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4m Stephen Wacker ‏@StephenWacker
@richjohnston Oh stop. You knew who you were playing too. The same people who claim "rape in Spidey!!!" every other month.
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3m Rich Johnston ‏@richjohnston
@StephenWacker It did come up with Chamelon and Michelle, and it was something Fred Van Lente also addressed at the time.
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3m Rich Johnston ‏@richjohnston
@StephenWacker But no, I wasn't playing up to anyone who claim "rape in Spidey!" every month because I didn't know they did.
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