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Herald

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Postby Herald » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:28 pm

Zechs wrote:Wait a second... I just realized Cyclops is now dropped Magneto villainy and gone into Dr. Doom territory. THAT BASTARD!! HOW DARE HE CROSS THE LINE DOOM STANDS UPON!! :smt013


"RICHAR-- I mean, SUMMERS!!" :P
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BubbaKanoosh

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Postby BubbaKanoosh » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:28 pm

The President wrote:
I don't see it, but even if he is right about the outcome, I've always said that I just have a problem with the risk.


He was right about what the Phoenix wanted:

1) hope being the host
2) fixing the mutant numbers
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:29 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:
He was right about what the Phoenix wanted:

1) hope being the host
2) fixing the mutant numbers


#1 was never in doubt.
#2 is still up in the air.
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habitual

Silly French Man

Postby habitual » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:34 pm

The President wrote:
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Do we know how much time has passed from Nova arriving till now? Stark has probably been working on this since then.


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That's a good point. Maybe a few days at most? I'll see if someone else has figured it out as I'm too lazy :P


Also, am I the only one more interested in the next issue of New Avengers than the main title?

Hab
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:43 pm

The President wrote:#2 is still up in the air.


Between the Phoenix's dialogue in Avengers vs. X-Men and Unit's dialogue in Uncanny X-Men, I really don't see how there is much room left to debate whether or not the Phoenix is here to fix the X-Gene and restore the mutants. Now...how the Phoenix intends to go about this is a completely different story.

I did find myself cracking up when I read AvX and saw the panel with Wanda. She sure does seem broken up about the fact that the Phoenix has come to undo her nefarious plot. I know that isn't really what happened but it was fun for me to interpret it that way.
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The Beast

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Postby The Beast » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:48 pm

The President wrote:
What secret origin are you referring to?

*Put in spoiler tag.


My bad, it's revealed in Uncanny #13, not AvX #5.

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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, Demon overlords enslaved a population and stopped evolution in order to maintain control. Eventually, a mutant messiah emerged from the slaves and unified a team of 5 acolytes into a Proto X-men group. They fought the good fight and prayed to the Phoenix, who eventually showed up and communed with the acolytes. Then it blasted away all the demons responsible for the suppression of evolution and restarted change.

So now Phoenix is the Patron saint of mutants and if outsiders meddle with evolution she shows up and sets things right.

I don't have a problem with any of the concepts mind you, the execution just seemed a little convenient and rushed.
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BubbaKanoosh

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Postby BubbaKanoosh » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:52 pm

The President wrote:


#1 was never in doubt.
#2 is still up in the air.


Up in the air? Just admit Cykee was right, it's ok.
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Frag

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Postby Frag » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:54 pm

Sakie wrote:
Between the Phoenix's dialogue in Avengers vs. X-Men and Unit's dialogue in Uncanny X-Men, I really don't see how there is much room left to debate whether or not the Phoenix is here to fix the X-Gene and restore the mutants. Now...how the Phoenix intends to go about this is a completely different story.

I did find myself cracking up when I read AvX and saw the panel with Wanda. She sure does seem broken up about the fact that the Phoenix has come to undo her nefarious plot. I know that isn't really what happened but it was fun for me to interpret it that way.


Because is the Phoenix there to restore mutants or make everyone a mutant or make mutants dominant? That's what's up in the air.
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dairydead

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Postby dairydead » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:59 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:
Up in the air? Just admit Cykee was right, it's ok.


youre a strange guy.
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dairydead

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa

Postby dairydead » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:00 pm

:lol:

Now the Xmen are on supervillain status. so no, Cyke was not "right"

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essentially enslaving the entire human race is not something honorable
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The Beast

Swedish Pinata of Death

Postby The Beast » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:09 pm

dairydead wrote::lol:

Now the Xmen are on supervillain status. so no, Cyke was not "right"

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essentially enslaving the entire human race is not something honorable


I got the impression from Uncanny #13 that
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The Phoenix would just restore the previous rate of mutation that should naturally occur in a population.


But who knows, maybe she'll hold a grudge and want some payback.
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dairydead

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa

Postby dairydead » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:17 pm

Ntikrst wrote:
I got the impression from Uncanny #13 that
[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand
The Phoenix would just restore the previous rate of mutation that should naturally occur in a population.


But who knows, maybe she'll hold a grudge and want some payback.


The threatening dialogue, most notable: "evolving tomorrow itself, beyond anything you've ever imagined". Obviously Cap saw this as a threat.

Also, with Cyke's hatred for humans, the Phoenix is not in benevolent hands
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chap22

Rain Partier

Postby chap22 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:24 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:And Cyke was right.

Meh, not necessarily. This could still end up being a monkey's paw/careful what you wish for type deal. There are 7 issues left, remember...
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chap22

Rain Partier

Postby chap22 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:28 pm

Ntikrst wrote:
My bad, it's revealed in Uncanny #13, not AvX #5.

[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, Demon overlords enslaved a population and stopped evolution in order to maintain control. Eventually, a mutant messiah emerged from the slaves and unified a team of 5 acolytes into a Proto X-men group. They fought the good fight and prayed to the Phoenix, who eventually showed up and communed with the acolytes. Then it blasted away all the demons responsible for the suppression of evolution and restarted change.

So now Phoenix is the Patron saint of mutants and if outsiders meddle with evolution she shows up and sets things right.

I don't have a problem with any of the concepts mind you, the execution just seemed a little convenient and rushed.

That...is a really, really dumb retcon.
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Grayson

Outhouse Drafter

Postby Grayson » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:30 pm

dairydead wrote:Also, with Cyke's hatred for humans, the Phoenix is not in benevolent hands


Cyclops hatred for humans?! When did he suddenly start hating humans?

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