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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Mon May 27, 2013 4:25 pm

On the off chance that Angela turns out to be Hank Pym's mother Angela Pym, I am going to feel horrible for Hank. All these years of being treated the way he has been treated, only to have to stick around while his mother returns from the dead to walk around wearing this:

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:smt011

It might be more than Hank Pym can take.
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Draco x

Fagorstorm

Postby Draco x » Mon May 27, 2013 4:30 pm

Grayson wrote:On the off chance that Angela turns out to be Hank Pym's mother Angela Pym, I am going to feel horrible for Hank. All these years of being treated the way he has been treated, only to have to stick around while his mother returns from the dead to walk around wearing this:

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:smt011

It might be more than Hank Pym can take.


Precisely. This whole thing feels as shoe-horned as the Sentry and Nick Fury Jr. If they were to put her in the Marvel-verse it should be in the Ghost Rider book as a foil for Blaze like she was with Spawn or have her be some kind of rival to Thor or Valkyrie in his book as well. There were way better directions they could have taken with her when they brought her over to Marvel.
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Mon May 27, 2013 5:05 pm

draco x wrote:Precisely. This whole thing feels as shoe-horned as the Sentry and Nick Fury Jr. If they were to put her in the Marvel-verse it should be in the Ghost Rider book as a foil for Blaze like she was with Spawn or have her be some kind of rival to Thor or Valkyrie in his book as well. There were way better directions they could have taken with her when they brought her over to Marvel.


DC has a long history of taking characters from other companies and introducing them into their main universe. I am sure that at least part of the logic behind integrating Angela into the Marvel Universe is an attempt to recreate that on some level. Unfortunately, we're not talking about a character like Captain Marvel who at one time maintained a comic series that outsold Superman or characters like the Charlton Characters who were part of a company that was going bankrupt and were acquired a DC. We're talking about one character who was created to suit a purpose for a certain character and to exist within a certain universe. Bringing her in to another comic universe doesn't make any sense. They are going to have to completely change the character and they have already had to redesign her.

At the end of the day, they should/could have created an entirely new character. From a business standpoint, there is nothing to gain from adding this character to the Marvel Universe. This isn't a character that has a large, built-in fan base. When the final issue of Age of Ultron is released, you won't see flocks of comic fans lined up outside of comic stores waiting to buy this issue. I'm sure that the powers that be at Marvel will enjoy the idea that they are "sticking it" to Todd McFarlane but that's as far as this will go in terms of "benefits" to the company.
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Tintin Quarantino

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Postby Tintin Quarantino » Mon May 27, 2013 5:08 pm

All Pym's problems are the result of being bottle, not breast, fed.

MikeinLA

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Postby MikeinLA » Mon May 27, 2013 5:10 pm

If true, this could explain where Ultron's own Oedipal Complex comes from.
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Draco x

Fagorstorm

Postby Draco x » Mon May 27, 2013 5:17 pm

Grayson wrote:
DC has a long history of taking characters from other companies and introducing them into their main universe. I am sure that at least part of the logic behind integrating Angela into the Marvel Universe is an attempt to recreate that on some level. Unfortunately, we're not talking about a character like Captain Marvel who at one time maintained a comic series that outsold Superman or characters like the Charlton Characters who were part of a company that was going bankrupt and were acquired a DC. We're talking about one character who was created to suit a purpose for a certain character and to exist within a certain universe. Bringing her in to another comic universe doesn't make any sense. They are going to have to completely change the character and they have already had to redesign her.

At the end of the day, they should/could have created an entirely new character. From a business standpoint, there is nothing to gain from adding this character to the Marvel Universe. This isn't a character that has a large, built-in fan base. When the final issue of Age of Ultron is released, you won't see flocks of comic fans lined up outside of comic stores waiting to buy this issue. I'm sure that the powers that be at Marvel will enjoy the idea that they are "sticking it" to Todd McFarlane but that's as far as this will go in terms of "benefits" to the company.


This right here. Plus as I said, the idea of making Hank Pym's dead mother into some female angel who looks like a stripper is just creepy all over. I can't really imagine Hank wanting to bring his mother to the Avengers mansion to meet his friends as I am pretty sure he would have to worry about Tony or Logan making a pass at her if this was the case.
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Mon May 27, 2013 5:24 pm

draco x wrote:Plus as I said, the idea of making Hank Pym's dead mother into some female angel who looks like a stripper is just creepy all over. I can't really imagine Hank wanting to bring his mother to the Avengers mansion to meet his friends as I am pretty sure he would have to worry about Tony or Logan making a pass at her if this was the case.


Keep in mind that we don't actually know that this theory is true. I just pointed it out because it seemed a little bit odd that Marvel would go to all the trouble of showing us a page from an upcoming issue featuring a tombstone that has the same name as a character that they have been advertising is being shoehorned into their universe. For all we know, the preview pages are fake, they will change the name on the tombstone, or its just a massive coincidence. :smt102
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Draco x

Fagorstorm

Postby Draco x » Mon May 27, 2013 5:56 pm

Grayson wrote:
Keep in mind that we don't actually know that this theory is true. I just pointed it out because it seemed a little bit odd that Marvel would go to all the trouble of showing us a page from an upcoming issue featuring a tombstone that has the same name as a character that they have been advertising is being shoehorned into their universe. For all we know, the preview pages are fake, they will change the name on the tombstone, or its just a massive coincidence. :smt102


I do hope the latter is the case as I don't see the fans embracing a 90's character as the mom of one of Marvel's well known characters.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Mon May 27, 2013 6:15 pm

Actually, the "Whole new world" refers to these characters first appearance in the Marvel Universe.


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dairydead

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Postby dairydead » Mon May 27, 2013 6:16 pm

draco x wrote:
I do hope the latter is the case as I don't see the fans embracing a 90's character as the mom of one of Marvel's well known characters.

You're also assuming that people care at all.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Mon May 27, 2013 6:19 pm

dairydead wrote:You're also assuming that people care at all.


If it turns out to involve Neil Gaiman writing an Angela story, a lot of people might care.
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Lord Ice

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby Lord Ice » Mon May 27, 2013 8:18 pm

Juan Cena wrote:With ongoing storylines in Avengers, Superior Spider-Man, and Bendis' X-Books, I doubt there will be a reboot.



Unless a reboot is Hickman's ultimate plan for Avengers and Infinity and AoU is just Bendis's attempt to still be relevant.
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Draco x

Fagorstorm

Postby Draco x » Mon May 27, 2013 8:47 pm

dairydead wrote:You're also assuming that people care at all.


And why should they?
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fieldy snuts

Rain Partier

Postby fieldy snuts » Mon May 27, 2013 9:39 pm

do we know its his mother? could be a sister.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Mon May 27, 2013 10:33 pm

Lord Ice wrote:

Unless a reboot is Hickman's ultimate plan for Avengers and Infinity and AoU is just Bendis's attempt to still be relevant.


Since Bendis has the X-Books I seriously doubt that's happening.

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