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Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby Punchy » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:09 pm

Infinity rumbles on, and this really is an event that feels different from any other. The scale of the threat the Avengers are facing, both at home and out in space is so big and out there, it kind of feels like the Avengers have stepped into an entire different world of story, like they accidentally walked into Star Wars or something. This half of the crossover is a sci-fi story that just happens to have superheroes in it as part of the good-guy army, and it’s working out fantastically.

This issue focuses on the Avengers out in space fighting the Builders, on the likes of Captain Marvel and Hawkeye who are imprisoned, and also Captain America and Thor who are left planning their next move in the big war. The captured Avengers stuff was OK, especially as we saw a chink of weakness in The Builders in that they are afraid of Captain Universe and don’t know why she, Starbrand and Nightmask are Avengers. The Builders have been, for me, pretty poorly defined as villains, so it was good to see some more about them. It was also great to see Captain Marvel take centre-stage here, and I also loved Hawkeye’s line about how he’s not just a ‘base-line human’.

But for me, the stuff with Cap’s team and the Galactic Council was the best part of the issue, because of two characters, Ex Nihilo and J-Son Of Spartax. Much like his creators, I have found Ex Nihilo to be a bit blank, but this issue gave him a lot of needed depth, and his reactions to what one of his fellow Exs did was really rather tragic. He’s a being who was created to give life, but now people who look exactly like him are going against that and destroying. It looks like the next issue of Avengers is going to see him in a fight against some other Ex-dudes, which should be great. His reaction also raises the question of just why the Builders have turned from building to destroying, at this point, it doesn’t make much sense.

As for J-Son, man, he is just a massive dick isn’t he? We’ve seen it regularly (well, semi-regularly) in the pages of Guardians Of The Galaxy, and now he’s taken his dickishness to a whole new level. Not only does he constantly badmouth our beloved Earth (even though he was saved and fell in love with a Earth-woman), he then goes behind the rest of the Council’s back and tries to make a deal with the Builders. Of course, this back-fires and the Builders trace his communication and another attack is on. Stupid J-Son, what a cunt, I can’t wait to see him get his comeuppance at the hands of Star-Lord.

I suppose this issue did continue my problem with this series in that the Avengers are not really a presence in this story, half of them are captured, and the rest of them are just standing around, but in this case, I didn’t mind it as much, perhaps because the stakes are so much bigger. The most proactive Avenger in this issue is Ex Nihilo, and all he does is talk (although we did get a flashback to Captain Marvel in action as Binary, so that may count), hopefully next issue will bring the action, because really, when you have Leinil Yu, you want some action. But still, Infinity has been great so far, I genuinely don’t know what’s coming next, apart from that J-Son will be a tool.

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Re: Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby Stephen Day » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:44 pm

Punchy wrote:I suppose this issue did continue my problem with this series in that the Avengers are not really a presence in this story, half of them are captured, and the rest of them are just standing around,


This has been a problem most of the time when the Avengers head out into space. More often than not, by the time Earth is aware of something going on up there to the point that it's affecting Earth, events are well underway and the team is simply reacting to what's happening. On top of that, it's a little difficult to tell a story in which the Avengers are the equal to the Kree or Shi'ar military and make that fact seem reasonable or realistic.
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Re: Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby Stephen Day » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:49 pm

As for this issue itself, I liked it. Infinity overall has been a fun crossover with some great twists. I liked the scenes with J-Son and how he proved himself to be a true idiot.
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Re: Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby thefourthman » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:48 am

Loved this issue.
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Re: Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:45 am

Stephen Day wrote:
This has been a problem most of the time when the Avengers head out into space. More often than not, by the time Earth is aware of something going on up there to the point that it's affecting Earth, events are well underway and the team is simply reacting to what's happening. On top of that, it's a little difficult to tell a story in which the Avengers are the equal to the Kree or Shi'ar military and make that fact seem reasonable or realistic.


How difficult is it to compare that The Avengers can take on the Kree as opposed to the ragtag characters in Star Wars managing to outwit the Empire over and over again, with the Rebel Alliance acting more as cleanup than the leadoff?
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Re: Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby Stephen Day » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:31 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
How difficult is it to compare that The Avengers can take on the Kree as opposed to the ragtag characters in Star Wars managing to outwit the Empire over and over again, with the Rebel Alliance acting more as cleanup than the leadoff?


The Rebel Alliance was still on their home turf, they were used to operating throughout most of the territory they fought in. They also had lots of people who sided with them within the Empire who would give them aide. When the the heroes of Earth go into space they have some allies, the Starjammers for instance, but not to the same extent and they're not even close to be as familiar with the territories they work in when they do as the Alliance. So no, I don't think the rebels from Star Wars and the Avengers are comparable.
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Re: Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby guitarsmashley » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:52 pm

The most impressive things about this whole story is #1. Hickman is writing the entirety of this crossover churning out 4 very dense books a month. #2 Despite being incredibly dense and filled with character with e names it's still very readable. #3. It's being drawn wonderfully. #4. I haven't gone out of my way to read any tie ins but, the periphery books I've read have done a good job at showing the scope of everything and how the MU is dealing with it.

Unfortunately it needs to start moving faster and we need to flesh out the builders/engineers as actual villains since we have two villain fronts across 3 books and Thanos has yet to really show what his plans are and how these two factions will eventually combine. I know the story is still fairly young but the stakes are so high and broad that they don't feel actually that dire or important.
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Re: Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby Draco x » Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:22 pm

Very good review.

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Re: Avengers #19 (INFINITY Spoilers)

Postby fieldy snuts » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:13 pm

Hickman's stuff is jut clicking perfectly for me all across the board. Can't remember the last time I've actually thought a big 2 book has felt this epic in scope.
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