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[draco x]

All evidence points to the contrary..

Rumor #1: Bendis taking over Uncanny and X-Men and making it a bi-weekly book, taking the X-Men to space.

Rumor #2: The Uncanny Avengers/Astonishing Avengers.. whichever name they end up with. Sounds like a more mutant-friendly Avengers team either way.

Sounds like the X-Men get shamed into leaving Earth.

Not to mention the definitely anti-X-Men slant of AvX from the upcoming issues' solicits.

So Bendis is actually writing the x-books after AVX? No thanks, I'll pass on all of this.

[draco x]

Don't forget how reasonable Cyke was at the end of Children's Crusade.

Don't forget how many well established Marvel characters were acting unreasonable over the years:

Tony Stark-Civil War
Reed Richards-Civil War
Matt Murdoch-Shadowland
Wanda-Avengers Disassembled & House Of M
Peter Parker-The Second Clone Saga
Gwen Stacey-Sins Past
Phil Urich-The Loners's mini-series & Dan Slott's drug-induced idea of making him the new Hobgoblin

Basically it's Scott's turn to be character assassinated now. In awhile it will probably be Thor, Aunt May, Jarvis the Butler or even Squirrel Girl's turn to go evil or crazy.

[draco x]

Don't forget how reasonable Cyke was at the end of Children's Crusade.

[alaska1125]

I am sure that's the argument DC used in the 90's with Hal Jordan when they ruined his character by making him evil with no plausible buildup. However, it would be interesting if they reveal that Scott was possessed by a yellow bug after AVX ends.

Ugh. I really hate the "yellow bug" arguement as being bad writing. I was just glad they undid the travesty they forced on Hal Jordan. He's a douche, but making him a genocidal maniac was just bad 90's crap, an it came out of nowhere.
Where I part ways with you is, as pointed put, Cyke has been on the road to doucheville for many, many years. This isn't sudden. It's been a gradual crawl from dick that leaves his wife to current Cykeneto status. Bad shit, I tells ya, in the near future.

[draco x]

Ugh. I really hate the "yellow bug" arguement as being bad writing. I was just glad they undid the travesty they forced on Hal Jordan. He's a douche, but making him a genocidal maniac was just bad 90's crap, an it came out of nowhere.
Where I part ways with you is, as pointed put, Cyke has been on the road to doucheville for many, many years. This isn't sudden. It's been a gradual crawl from dick that leaves his wife to current Cykeneto status. Bad shit, I tells ya, in the near future.

I am not disputing the fact that Cyclops is an asshole but this turn where he believes that a cosmic entity that possessed his wife and forced her to kill herself to stop it, is crap writing. So is the notion that the other X-Men would be onboard out of their free-will is just an insult to X-fans also. It's like the X-Men are purposely being set up to be unsavoury or unsympathetic in AVX. It's one thing to turn Scott into a much darker character but do they have to make him an idiot too? Cyclops and almost all the X-Men know the Phoenix is an uncontrollable force of nature that has murdered countless galaxies-the very fact that Magneto and Namor of all people pointed out that this was a bad idea from the get-go shows how much of a moron Scott has become. Scott is acting like a kid who found his dad's handgun in the closet without the slightest idea how to use the weapon or the consequences it will bring once he pulls the trigger.

[Punchy]

Are you guys still discussing this?

What about this week's comics?

[Chris]

You conveniently forgot the part that his wife Madelyn was an evil clone created by Sinister to seduce him-not condoning his flaws but it's not as one-sided as you are making it.

How is that in any way relevant to his actions? He didn't know that at the time. It's not like he woke up one day and thought.. "what if my wife is an evil clone?" and decided to be a deadbeat dad. And that doesn't even answer him walking out on his son. There's no excuse for that.

[Chris]

So this justifies Cap acting like a cop storming a place without a proper search warrant? Still not a good counter argument. I would have accepted this if Cap had tried to Scott and invited him to work something out with Hank, Reed, Tony, Beast, Xavier, etc only to have Scott tell him to go fuck himself. At this point, Cap could then say that at least he tried to be reasonable and then storm Utopia-that would have been better story telling. But with whoever is writing it, it's mostly just fight, fight, fight with a little bit of logic and plot thrown in as an afterthought.
As for Cyclops' recent turn, as far as I am concerned, this is really a Skrull imposter and that the real Scott Summers is somewhere tied up in a basement.

Neither is what you just wrote.

Cyke was the one who elevated this whole thing from the get-go. Bottom line. I really don't need to waste time on Cap calling Scott, only to have Scott ignore his calls, or lie to him, or refuse to accept a meeting - at the end of the day, that's pointless because Cap already tried talking to him during Schism and got nothing, and Cap tried talking to him in AvX. Who cares if Cap showed up at his doorstep? All he wanted was to talk to him. Cyke elevated things by starting the fight. There's no arguing against that. That is what happened. Cap wasn't acting like a cop.. he pretty much was a cop, but he didn't abuse his powers, when he easily could. He showed up and tried to talk first.

[Chris]

So Bendis is actually writing the x-books after AVX? No thanks, I'll pass on all of this.

Not officially confirmed, but all the rumors are heavily pointing to that. Uncanny and X-Men would be combined into a bi-weekly, with him writing. Jason Aaron still writing Wolverine & The X-Men, but that will be on earth.

[Chris]

Are you guys still discussing this?

Yes. Deal with it.

[GHERU]

Well, y'know, I'm old and all.

Whati mean is that 25 years ago scott was boring and he could have fallen over and died of a bug bit mid book and i would not have cared.
Not that i wasn't reading comics

[draco x]

Yes. Deal with it.

This.

[draco x]

Are you guys still discussing this?

What about this week's comics?

AVX #7 isn't out yet so yes we're still going to discuss this. What's the problem?

[alaska1125]

Are you guys still discussing this?

What about this week's comics?

No worries...by next Wednsday, we'll be milking the shit out of #7.

[draco x]

How is that in any way relevant to his actions? He didn't know that at the time. It's not like he woke up one day and thought.. "what if my wife is an evil clone?" and decided to be a deadbeat dad. And that doesn't even answer him walking out on his son. There's no excuse for that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't he and Madelyne also having marital problems also? Plus, didn't Cyclops try to find her and Nate but they vanished without a trace at that time? I always got the impression there was more to that story than you were presenting here. Besides, even what you said is dead accurate, what relevance does it show aside from pointing out that Cyclops has made mistakes? Is that anywhere as bad as Hank Pym smacking Janet in a fit of rage or Tony Stark turning into a nazi-lite dictator in Civil War? I could even give a list of bad things a lot of Marvel heroes have done but I will save that for a separate thread. I don't defend Cyclops as a saint as I do concur he is a jerk but I also don't defend very inaccurate writing in which he is being subjected to. Cyclops at his worst is a very flawed character, not some Snidely Whiplash cartoon villain whose motivations are very laughable and dumb. I am very surprised that Scott hasn't tied some damsel to a train track by now given the ludicrous direction Marvel is forcing him to go.