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Re: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum for

Postby Mr. Log » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:53 pm

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Sounds like an Outhouse gimmick for sure! :smt026

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RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum for Superman/Wonder Woman Series

Postby Cilla Hagle » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:13 pm

If DC wants to attract female readers give us a strong female heroine we can relate to on a human level...like Stephanie Brown maybe?

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Re: RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum

Postby Draco x » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:21 am

FBtron wrote:Personally, I do not go for dysfunction relationships and sparkly, pussified vampires! I go for the powerful and independent women! I also go for the characters I know and love! How dare he say that about women! Didio get out! He clearly doesn't know a thing about female readers nor does he understand female characters! What the hell is wrong with him?


Yet somebody at DC hired him and the fact that the higher ups at the company and WB haven't canned him by now shows that the problems didn't begin with Didio. If it had been a case where these people in power had given Didio a chance but then quickly realized that it was a bad idea to have hired him that would be one thing. However, the fact that they all seem to be thinking he's doing a good job shows that the problems lie within them.

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Re: RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum

Postby superfictious » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:57 am

FBtron wrote:If DC wants to attract female readers give us a strong female heroine we can relate to on a human level...like Stephanie Brown maybe?


Stephanie Brown: getting women to read comics since absolutely never.

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Postby SporkBot » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:54 am

Steph's still a fun character with immense story potential, when written correctly. I'll take her worst story over the "best" that Winick or Lobdell can churn out.

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Re: RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum

Postby IvCNuB4 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:36 am

superfictious wrote:
Stephanie Brown: getting women to read comics since absolutely never.


Except maybe as an Afterschool Special.

"Three failed costumed identites"
"Unplanned teenage pregnancy"
"Gave her child up"

"Parents, DON'T let your daughters end up like this" :lol:
Victorian Squid wrote:In a DC/Marvel cross-over "all your favorite Marvel characters would catch contextually-transmitted diseases and Steph infections."

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Re: RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum

Postby SporkBot » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:26 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:"Three failed costumed identites"
"Unplanned teenage pregnancy"
"Gave her child up"

"Parents, DON'T let your daughters end up like this"


Those examples could easily be used to show the best part of her character: She perseveres. After everyone telling her to quit, she keeps going, keeps fighting the good fight. She openly defied Batman of all people. I'd say that whole "don't give up, help those who can't help themselves" is rather positive.

I wouldn't call her identities "failures". She rather got promoted to Robin (though admittedly got fired), and then was promoted again to Batgirl (by Bruce's instructions). The only reason her Batgirl tenure ended was because of the shortsighted reboot.

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Re: RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum

Postby Draco x » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:35 pm

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Those examples could easily be used to show the best part of her character: She perseveres. After everyone telling her to quit, she keeps going, keeps fighting the good fight. She openly defied Batman of all people. I'd say that whole "don't give up, help those who can't help themselves" is rather positive.

I wouldn't call her identities "failures". She rather got promoted to Robin (though admittedly got fired), and then was promoted again to Batgirl (by Bruce's instructions). The only reason her Batgirl tenure ended was because of the shortsighted reboot.


I am more for Cassandra Cain myself but to each his own.

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Postby SporkBot » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:22 pm

draco x wrote:I am more for Cassandra Cain myself but to each his own.


Truth be told...so am I. She is by far my favorite Batgirl. But I kind of like to defend them both, because both of them got raw deals at some point. And what I mentioned above? That's mostly derived from critiques of a friend of mine who's a big Steph Brown fan. Interestingly enough, I didn't even care that much about Steph, then she "died" in the War Games. Then I started missing her.

Orpheus, not so much. Because he stunk as a character.

I didn't like how she replaced Cass as B-girl at first, but the more I read, the more I enjoyed. She had a great tenure that could and should have continued. And it would've been nice to see more of Cass.

Maybe DC admitted to themselves that they didn't know how to write these characters, and have refrained from using them out of respect to them and the fans.

...

Yeah, I know it sounds far-fetched.

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RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum for Superman/Wonder Woman Series

Postby Michael Martin » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:30 pm

Mind you, though, the New 52 did get me reading an American superhero comic regularly for the first time ever (though I did jump in at number 19 XD). But not sure I can justify the expense now. Plus I went back to the start and there's still acres of characters and continuity carried over from the 'old howevermany'.

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Re: RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum

Postby Zechs » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:35 am

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Truth be told...so am I. She is by far my favorite Batgirl. But I kind of like to defend them both, because both of them got raw deals at some point. And what I mentioned above? That's mostly derived from critiques of a friend of mine who's a big Steph Brown fan. Interestingly enough, I didn't even care that much about Steph, then she "died" in the War Games. Then I started missing her.

Orpheus, not so much. Because he stunk as a character.

I didn't like how she replaced Cass as B-girl at first, but the more I read, the more I enjoyed. She had a great tenure that could and should have continued. And it would've been nice to see more of Cass.

Maybe DC admitted to themselves that they didn't know how to write these characters, and have refrained from using them out of respect to them and the fans.

...

Yeah, I know it sounds far-fetched.



No. I prefer Cassandra over Stephanie too, but again like you said they go hand and hand in how fucked up DC has screwed up either character. Kill or turn them evil, the fan base will stick by and endure. But that theory is far fetched. We know for a fact Scott Synder wanted #13 to be Cass centric.

I think what DC fears is Cassandra eclipsing their "ironic" Barbara if Snyder gets his paws on the character. Note he's barely used Barbara in the New 52 now save the cameo at the end in Death of the Family. He had to create Harper Row to fill in all the Cassandra appearances he had intended. It's quite clear to me DC doesn't want Cassandra around because it mucks up their current philosophy. And the funny thing is? They're losing money they could have for it. Before a certain someone will say, "Wrong Zechs, Barbara's selling better than Cass."

Cass had two major events (Officer Down, Bruce Wayne: Fugitive/Murderer) written in her first twenty five issues. Barbara's had FIVE (Night of the Owls, Zero issue, Death of the Family, Villains Month, and now Zero Year). Stephanie? Zero. Make that as you will of the true reason Barbara is selling.

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Re: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum for

Postby SporkBot » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:45 am

Something else I noticed: When Babs was originally crippled, it was barely a year before she reinvented herself as Oracle. In the New52, not only is Oracle never mentioned, Babs doesn't seem to have any hacker skills whatsoever. This means 52-Babs was sulking in her wheelchair for three years before a "miracle cure" (that was never explained) came along.

New52 Barbara is a weaker Barbara. Good going, DC.

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Re: RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum

Postby superfictious » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:00 am

Zechs wrote:Iconic my ass. Every day I hope and pray that damn book crashes and burns like it deserves.


What would that accomplish, and how does it deserve to be a failure?

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Postby Flynn the Pirate » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:07 am

I just don't see any point to this thing, other than to underscore how new and totally not like the old DC universe the New 52 really is. I mean, after almost a year of the relationship being a thing, I think anyone that cared about it isn't going to care about it anymore than they already do... and the people that hate it aren't going to buy this mini anyway.

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Re: RE: DC Bound and Determined to Kill Any and All Momentum

Postby Draco x » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:34 pm

SporkBot wrote:
Truth be told...so am I. She is by far my favorite Batgirl. But I kind of like to defend them both, because both of them got raw deals at some point. And what I mentioned above? That's mostly derived from critiques of a friend of mine who's a big Steph Brown fan. Interestingly enough, I didn't even care that much about Steph, then she "died" in the War Games. Then I started missing her.

Orpheus, not so much. Because he stunk as a character.

I didn't like how she replaced Cass as B-girl at first, but the more I read, the more I enjoyed. She had a great tenure that could and should have continued. And it would've been nice to see more of Cass.

Maybe DC admitted to themselves that they didn't know how to write these characters, and have refrained from using them out of respect to them and the fans.

Yeah, I know it sounds far-fetched.



Oh, I remember Orpheus myself. It suck that he got such a shitty death though. I mean I get the fact that he wasn't a popular character but he deserved way better than to be killed so easily by a d-list Bat-villain.

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