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[ReturnoftheMack]

GHERU's right.

This whole thing is very hypocritical.

What bothers me is there are people that take the words of this nutcase and try to justify it.

The fact is, Moore is not some great character creator. All his successful work is based on someone else's idea. He writes some great stuff and is a great writer, but he has done it off of existing characters. And it's not a bad thing. Good for him. My favorite comic, Fables, is based on that exact same premise. It's just hypocritical of him to have a problem with others writing "his" characters when they aren't "his" characters in the first place. It's even worse when he says that Blackest Night was ripped off his ideas.

Look at how classily Bill Willingham took the announcement of "Once Upon a Time."

Look at how classless Alan Moore took the announcement of anything he's ever done.

For fuck's sake, the guy is crazy. Stop repeating his garbage.

[ReturnoftheMack]

Thank you sir, this is exactly what I mean. Editorial and creative talent needs to stop playing it safe with remakes/sequels/rehashed concepts. Playing it safe is something to be ashamed of.

Gee, now why won't this work?

Aha, cooler heads do prevail.

Work or not, it doesn't matter.

Slowly the Wildstorm characters are being integrated. Captain Marvel was integrated. This has been happening forever. It'll happen again and it would be dumb of DC to stop using these characters.

[GHERU]

Can't you just cut and paste this exact same conversation from a previous thread or do you seriously intend to have it again?

I could, but if I am going to have an argument filled with misspellings and grammatical mistakes, I, at least, want each one to have its own specific batch of erros

[Doc Jon]

Work or not, it doesn't matter.

Slowly the Wildstorm characters are being integrated. Captain Marvel was integrated. This has been happening forever. It'll happen again and it would be dumb of DC to stop using these characters.

No, what's dumb is DC's inability to use the characters it already has. Adding more to the pot does not equal being smart.

First: you have a set of characters running around that these characters were based on.

Second: the very premise of these characters was that they were not superhuman, but "realistic." It was part of the whole deconstruction of the superhero. Rorshach is not the greatest martial artist on the planet, he's probably not even top 100. He'd have his ass handed to him by everyone in the DC Universe. If you power him up, then the character loses the very "realism" that made him a draw in the first place.

Nite Owl is more than redundant.

So is Silk Specter.

Ozymandias is about the only one with potential.

Dr. Manhattan is too powerful.

So this would probably be one of the more terrible moves DC could make.

[ReturnoftheMack]

No, what's dumb is DC's inability to use the characters it already has. Adding more to the pot does not equal being smart.

First: you have a set of characters running around that these characters were based on.

Second: the very premise of these characters was that they were not superhuman, but "realistic." It was part of the whole deconstruction of the superhero. Rorshach is not the greatest martial artist on the planet, he's probably not even top 100. He'd have his ass handed to him by everyone in the DC Universe. If you power him up, then the character loses the very "realism" that made him a draw in the first place.

Nite Owl is more than redundant.

So is Silk Specter.

Ozymandias is about the only one with potential.

Dr. Manhattan is too powerful.

So this would probably be one of the more terrible moves DC could make.

Again, it doesn't matter. It's better than doing nothing with the characters.

Your first point is irrelevant.

Your second point can always be retconned. Rorschach isn't some great martial artist, but they could make him one.

Ted Cord is dead so Nite-Owl could fit in.

Ozymandias could be a great villain.

Dr. Manhattan could fight the Spectre. He could become a great villain. They could depower him and still do things with him.

It doesn't really matter what they do, but getting them in the DCU is the next step IMO.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

Again, it doesn't matter. It's better than doing nothing with the characters.

Your first point is irrelevant.

Your second point can always be retconned. Rorschach isn't some great martial artist, but they could make him one.

Ted Cord is dead so Nite-Owl could fit in.

Ozymandias could be a great villain.

Dr. Manhattan could fight the Spectre. He could become a great villain. They could depower him and still do things with him.

It doesn't really matter what they do, but getting them in the DCU is the next step IMO.

Ugh. I can't think of anything worse than that. I don't care about the prequels or any of that nonsense, but putting these characters in the same world as all the other DC superheroes is retarded and completely ruins the essence of the characters and makes the actual story of Watchmen make no fucking sense at all. Hopefully they would put them in their own alternate universe.

[ReturnoftheMack]

Ugh. I can't think of anything worse than that. I don't care about the prequels or any of that nonsense, but putting these characters in the same world as all the other DC superheroes is retarded and completely ruins the essence of the characters and makes the actual story of Watchmen make no fucking sense at all. Hopefully they would put them in their own alternate universe.

Yeah. Knowing DC, they'll fuck it up, but from a business standpoint it's logical.

Look how they reintegrated Swamp Thing and Constantine.

[Doc Jon]

Again, it doesn't matter. It's better than doing nothing with the characters.

Your first point is irrelevant.

Your second point can always be retconned. Rorschach isn't some great martial artist, but they could make him one.

Ted Cord is dead so Nite-Owl could fit in.

Ozymandias could be a great villain.

Dr. Manhattan could fight the Spectre. He could become a great villain. They could depower him and still do things with him.

It doesn't really matter what they do, but getting them in the DCU is the next step IMO.

So taking what made the characters unique and a draw away from them is irrelevant? Ok...

It would be a terrible move and will fare about as well as the myriad of characters that DC has "integrated" into their universe. Remind me again how those characters have thrived.

[Doc Jon]

I'm not against using these characters.

I think a prequel is a horrible idea, because in general, prequels blow. They generally add nothing to the overall narrative except expand some meaningless backstory that most likely needed no expanding at all.

I would have rather seen a continuation of the story because then at least we could have gotten something more meaningful, despite how crappy it would most likely be. But integrating these characters? Gah...

[GHERU]

I think a prequel is a horrible idea, because in general, prequels blow. They generally add nothing to the overall narrative except expand some meaningless backstory that most likely needed no expanding at all.

Can't you just cut and paste this exact same conversation from a previous thread or do you seriously intend to have it again?

[fieldy snuts]

I'd honestly rather see a Watchmen sequel 25 years later than a prequel rehashing the stories that were already detailed in the book.

DC does have the right to do this, but I really don't see the point as it seems redundant based on the content of the original story.

That said I really don't care about the implications on Moore or who wants or doesn't want this. I still remain indifferent on it.

[Doc Jon]

Can't you just cut and paste this exact same conversation from a previous thread or do you seriously intend to have it again?

This would be a sick burn if we already had this conversation. I don't believe I've talked with the President with regards to integrating Watchmen characters into the DCnU proper.

But your effort is commendable.

[Doc Jon]

I'd honestly rather see a Watchmen sequel 25 years later than a prequel rehashing the stories that were already detailed in the book.

DC does have the right to do this, but I really don't see the point as it seems redundant based on the content of the original story.

That said I really don't care about the implications on Moore or who wants or doesn't want this. I still remain indifferent on it.

We are of the same mind...

[GHERU]

This would be a sick burn if we already had this conversation. I don't believe I've talked with the President with regards to integrating Watchmen characters into the DCnU proper.

But your effort is commendable.

so having the same complaint about prequels in multiple threads is different if its about different prequels even though prequels suck?

or, should I wait til the next Star Wars thread where you say the same thing for the 100th time before your repetitive "prequels suck" argument should be pointed out?

and, I was unaware of having a Lost Girls conversation with Ntikrst before so what was your initial point?

[Doc Jon]

so having the same complaint about prequels in multiple threads is different if its about different prequels even though prequels suck?

or, should I wait til the next Star Wars thread where you say the same thing for the 100th time before your repetitive "prequels suck" argument should be pointed out?

and, I was unaware of having a Lost Girls conversation with Ntikrst before so what was your initial point?

My complaints about the Star Wars Prequels had little to do with them being prequels. It was more of the Jar Jar, midichlorians, Manikin Skywalker of it all.

But if you insist, then you got me. Sick burn, dude...

And I wasn't really complaining about these prequels (seeing as how they haven't even come out yet) just stating that I would probably prefer to see a sequel to the Watchmen. I don't know that I've said that before in another thread, but if I have, then my apologies.

Once again, your efforts are commendable. Please continue fighting the good fight.