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by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:27 am

Well it's kicking off. I've been predicting it for years, but it seems to be speeding up. Before Watchmen seems to have put the cat among the pigeons.

There are creators who are turning their back on the creatively bankrupt blackhole that is Marvel and DC. They've said no to Avengers v X-men, they've said no to the Ultimate U/616 crossover. They've said no to reboots, crisis' and Before Watchmen, and they're producing some fantastic work.

Leading the field are creators like:

Mark Millar,
Greg Rucka,
Duncan Rouleau,
Joe Casey,
Stephen. T. Seagle,
BKV,
James Robinson
Greg Rucka,
Joe Kelly,
Robert Kirkman,
Ed Brubaker (mostly)
Grant Morrison
Mike Mignola
Alan Moore
and Chris Roberson.

If you haven't noticed btw, these are creators who've all surpassed most comic writers today in terms of getting their work seen. They don't need to write Avengers #593 or Justice League Returns part 4 or 8 tying into the Reborn Universe crossover coming next year.

They've furthered their careers by leaving behind a cesspool of mediocrity.

This thread is a celebration of these writers. I hope others join them soon (I'm looking at you Bru and Bendis)

Who do you think will be next to go?

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:30 am

While I'm here, I thought I'd also criticise those writers who've never tried to branch out with their own ideas or original properties. People like Brubaker, Morrison and Bendis at least try and get new thoughts out.

But people like
Simone,
Johns
and Slott. Come on!

by **Evan Meadow** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:58 am

Millar doesn't count. Marvel's still distributing most of his Icon books.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:02 am

Meh, he's done with the big 2 he says. I've seen interviews where he complains how hamstrung you are writing for them. Publishing wise he might have a deal, but he's done with the big superheroes now I think. Shame as he wrote probably the most popular superhero comic of the last decade.

by **Timbales** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:03 am

Do you boycott all Time-Warner products?

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:05 am

Timbales wrote:Do you boycott all Time-Warner products?

No not at all.

by **Timbales** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:09 am

Jubilee wrote:
No not at all.

interesting

by **Rockman** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:13 am

Mark Millar's output has basically sucked since the last the first volume of the ultimates.

Old Man logan was okay for what it was, but I give a lot of credit to the art on that book.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:15 am

Rockman wrote:Mark Millar's output has basically sucked since the last the first volume of the ultimates.

Old Man logan was okay for what it was, but I give a lot of credit to the art on that book.

Not a fan of kick ass or superior?

by **Chesscub** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:38 am

Jubilee wrote:While I'm here, I thought I'd also criticise those writers who've never tried to branch out with their own ideas or original properties. People like Brubaker, Morrison and Bendis at least try and get new thoughts out.

But people like
Simone,
Johns
and Slott. Come on!

This may be changing in the near future. I heard something from one of the artists in Boston. Not sure if I can say something.

/Rich Johnston'd

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:42 am

Chesscub wrote:
This may be changing in the near future. I heard something from one of the artists in Boston. Not sure if I can say something.

/Rich Johnston'd

Good for her!

by **Apache Chef** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:50 am

I'm not sure how much you can praise Millar for leaving the Big 2. He has the luxury to do so only because he spend fifteen years working for them. If it wasn't for Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men, Civil War, Red Son, Authority, etc, etc, we wouldn't even know who Mark Millar is.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:54 am

Apache Chef wrote:I'm not sure how much you can praise Millar for leaving the Big 2. He has the luxury to do so only because he spend fifteen years working for them. If it wasn't for Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men, Civil War, Red Son, Authority, etc, etc, we wouldn't even know who Mark Millar is.

I praise him because it'd be easy to carry on working there, and make his way in life rehashing superhero stories over and over. He's chosen to do more than that, and even thought I'm not a massive fan of his work, at least he is doing something new.

Fair play to him for that I say.