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[mrorangesoda]

George RR Martin wanted to work for marvel but they could never come to terms on how many PPP (pies per page) to give the guy and the deals fell through when HBO filled his swimming pool with pudding in an opening gambit to make the TV show.

[superfictious]

Email firings, unions, and pie...where the hell is Khux to put all this into context?

[Victorian Squid]

I agree with buying Hondas and Toyotas, they're good cars.

[mrorangesoda]

I agree with buying Hondas and Toyotas, they're good cars.

Disagree. Toyotas have been spontaneously catching fire or losing the ability to break a whole lot the last several years.

[Victorian Squid]

Disagree. Toyotas have been spontaneously catching fire or losing the ability to break a whole lot the last several years.

Who wouldn't love a car without the ability to break?

[habitual]

You know, it's frustrating sometimes to have people look at simple situations with such a lack of perspective about the big picture.

I don't assume that union workers should "give and give." Stunningly enough, I've been in unions. So yeah, I understand a little bit about it -- maybe, just maybe, enough to say this:

In 2008, General Motors was in the same position as Hostess, except for the likely profiteering. But questionable management had taken the company into bankruptcy.

The government bailed them out, but not without concessions from the unions within GM. Pensions were adjusted. Pay rates were adjusted. Some lost their jobs. But if those terms weren't accepted, GM would have been shut down.

Instead, GM workers/unions chose to "give and give."

What did they get? Their company stayed open. They repaid their bailout loans in 2010 -- years ahead of schedule. They had record profits in 2011.

GM is THRIVING. Reorganization has meant workers are still protected by unions, but the company still exists and workers are benefiting.

But nope. That's all bullshit. All that shit shouldn't have happened, and we should all be buying Hondas and Toyotas because the point of unions isn't to give in.

All that shit comes to a halt in the world of convictions, where the inability to see the forest for the trees is something to which to aspire.

GM wasn't diverting payroll funds from workers pension funds.

So not quite the same position.

Hab

[3MJ]

No you idiot, I'm saying it's not smart to want it not to be, it gives you more freedom to do whatever you want. There isn't a single reason creatively that would impact the story you write in any way. In short, it's childish.

Sit on the back of your chair son, this shit's going over your head.

And the argument that there are zero readable titles at either company is crazy.

It's dumb.

Good day sir.

Hab

It's not childish. It's knowing that without ramifications that are explored and expanded upon there is no point doing a story in the MU.

It's also not crazy. They're all producing the same books under the same guidelines. Not crazy at all.

I just completely destroyed you with your arguments, so it's hilarious to see you call me dumb.

Just as a recap, this is how the conversation went.

"If you write a good enough story, it won't be retconned"

"Every writer has been retconned at marvel"

"So?"


Your initial claim that if you write a story good enough it won't be changed is SO dumb I'm still laughing at it.

[habitual]

It's not childish. It's knowing that without ramifications that are explored and expanded upon there is no point doing a story in the MU.

It's also not crazy. They're all producing the same books under the same guidelines. Not crazy at all.

I just completely destroyed you with your arguments, so it's hilarious to see you call me dumb.

Just as a recap, this is how the conversation went.

"If you write a good enough story, it won't be retconned"

"Every writer has been retconned at marvel"

"So?"


Your initial claim that if you write a story good enough it won't be changed is SO dumb I'm still laughing at it.

I'm not really all that surprised, the fact that you aren't banging garbage cans together and walking around with a load in your pants is what gets me.

Ask yourself some time how many of Bendis's or Hickman's stories been retconned.

Maybe since you're not reading comics any more you should just give up message boards too?

Hab

[3MJ]

Plenty of Bendis' stories have been retconned.

Let's see, first of all there's obviously House of M. I don't see Wanda crazy any more so Avengers Disassembled as well. Speaking of which didn't Ant-man just come back?

Oh Wasp is alive as well, so obviously Secret Invasion has been retconned, and I believe someone just killed off his characters in the new Avengers issue?

Oh yeah, obviously his whole Daredevil run was retconned pretty much? Fear Demon was it? Wife completely removed from the picture.

In the Ultimate Universe he killed the Beast which was promptly retconned.

I admittedly haven't read Hickmans work for years, no idea what's been retconned there.

Can anyone tell me what significance came from Bendis' role on the Avengers though? Which characters were in different places from New Avengers #1 to the final issue?

[Punchy]

Plenty of Bendis' stories have been retconned.

Let's see, first of all there's obviously House of M. I don't see Wanda crazy any more so Avengers Disassembled as well. Speaking of which didn't Ant-man just come back?

Oh Wasp is alive as well, so obviously Secret Invasion has been retconned, and I believe someone just killed off his characters in the new Avengers issue?

Oh yeah, obviously his whole Daredevil run was retconned pretty much? Fear Demon was it? Wife completely removed from the picture.

In the Ultimate Universe he killed the Beast which was promptly retconned.

I admittedly haven't read Hickmans work for years, no idea what's been retconned there.

Can anyone tell me what significance came from Bendis' role on the Avengers though? Which characters were in different places from New Avengers #1 to the final issue?

Luke Cage got married and had a kid.

[3MJ]

Now he is out of the Avengers and not in a monthly book (?)

Hurray for progress!

[mrorangesoda]

It seems like this thread's twig and the one claiming to be excited about Avengers Arena are two different people. It also seems like twig has a more extreme definition of retcon than anyone else.

[3MJ]

Avengers Arena is everything comics should be. Exciting, dangerous and unpredictable.

[chap22]

Now he is out of the Avengers and not in a monthly book (?)

Hurray for progress!

yeah, b/c clearly killing the character off would've been a much better option, right? there's tons of monthly books he could be starring in when he's dead. no, wait...

[mrorangesoda]

Avengers Arena is everything comics should be. Exciting, dangerous and unpredictable.

Then you probably shouldn't be making absolute statements that nothing the big 2 are producing is worthwhile.