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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby achilles » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:49 pm

I don't think it's that DC needs a PR staff, but rather that they need to stop doing things that make them need a crisis PR staff. In other words, stop moving the day counter! :lol:
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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:09 pm

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I have no problem saying there's a) a problem and that b) Bob Harras may be at the core of it. DiDio may be just carrying that guys water/takin the bullet since he was moved upstairs.

That being said, lets really look at you list in the light of "Top Talent Leaving DC". There are guys on this list that you know you can't put in the category of Maguire and Williams.

Was this a place just chock full of JT Krul fans? Todd Farmer? Mike Johnson? LIEFELD????

Spencer is basically in the Marvel circle and I couldn't see him being at DC for long.Simone, Baltazar, Franco, Giffen and Venditti are still with the company and all got bigger assignments. Simone is a case where the brass slapped her editor on the back of the hand.

It's a list alright but the context has to matter. Also there might to be consideration for folks DC gained and I do honestly think you might be missing some folks like Paul Cornell. I'm throwing him in there cuz he's pretty damn good and people didn't read his shit.


Well, I think in some cases it may not be DC's fault, but it speaks to a larger narrative. Obviously, there is a problem there if that many creators have departed books in such a short time. It doesn't mean every single one is a prime example, but taken together, it's pretty sobering.
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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:10 pm

achilles wrote:I don't think it's that DC needs a PR staff, but rather that they need to stop doing things that make them need a crisis PR staff. In other words, stop moving the day counter! :lol:


Honestly, they should just bookmark the counter and check it every day. It should be their goal to see the counter get higher. Imagine if it said "It has been 365 Days Since DC Comics Did Something Stupid." That would be a pretty good record for a major company in the public eye.
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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby Doc Midnight » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:15 pm

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Agreed here as even though Quesada has his flaws he is nowhere as incompetent or inept as Didio. Quesada at his worst will be remembered for crap like Sins Past and One More Day whereas Didio will be remembered for so many fuckups that are too numerous to list here.


Yeah after he's fired no one is going to think back to the positive things that happened during his tenure because it will be too easy to remember the string of PR blunders.

I say that in all seriousness. DC produced some critically acclaimed books and pushed some killer indie talent. Day and date digital was also a pretty bold move.

Essentially it's going to be what have you done for us lately other than embarrass us?
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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby Arion » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:34 pm

achilles wrote:I don't think it's that DC needs a PR staff, but rather that they need to stop doing things that make them need a crisis PR staff. In other words, stop moving the day counter! :lol:


I could do PR for them . I don't charge that much.

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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby Doc Midnight » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:22 pm

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I could do PR for them . I don't charge that much.


That's fine. They clearly aren't paying that much.
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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby habitual » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:09 pm

Doc Midnight wrote:
That's fine. They clearly aren't paying that much.


I think there might be a lot too your Bob Harass assessment.

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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby The Shadow » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:16 pm

Chris wrote:
Bendis has already tweeted each of the artists on this list trying to vulture them to work on his Marvel books next year.

Good!! (Does that include Liefeld??)

That way I'll likely see their work!

I keep hoping Adam Hughes gets in shit (for something stupid) and ends up at Marvel!!

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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby Rockman » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:20 pm

I don't really see the big deal here, maybe you need be familiar with the comic in quesiton :smt102

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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby David Bird » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:35 pm

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That's a pretty historically inaccurate comment there. Some books have done a little better than they did before Flashpoint, but 32 out of the Nu-52 titles sell less than 40K copies. There are only three books selling over 100K, and two are written by Snyder, and one by Johns.


I am talking sales over all, comparing the period just prior to Nu52 to the time since. And they are still up. No one in DC Entertainment's head office is going to care about writers and artists walking out as long as Didio's leadership still makes them money.

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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby Doc Midnight » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:12 pm

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I am talking sales over all, comparing the period just prior to Nu52 to the time since. And they are still up. No one in DC Entertainment's head office is going to care about writers and artists walking out as long as Didio's leadership still makes them money.


FACT. More to the point, DiDio is really being a gatekeeper. WB doesn't actually care about Eisners and big sales. Neither does Disney so stop getting it twisted please.

Do for the property what we ask of you or you won't really be happy. DC isn't really about you making a statement. Fans hate this because you've been trained to believe "Creator First" was the order of things. All of this really is cyclical,
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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby habitual » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:02 am

Doc Midnight wrote:
FACT. More to the point, DiDio is really being a gatekeeper. WB doesn't actually care about Eisners and big sales. Neither does Disney so stop getting it twisted please.

Do for the property what we ask of you or you won't really be happy. DC isn't really about you making a statement. Fans hate this because you've been trained to believe "Creator First" was the order of things. All of this really is cyclical,


Quesada's shop is being run the same way it was prior to the Disney purchase. Part of DC's larger problem is that the WB/Time Warner is a complete clusterfuck.

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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby achilles » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:42 am

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I am talking sales over all, comparing the period just prior to Nu52 to the time since. And they are still up. No one in DC Entertainment's head office is going to care about writers and artists walking out as long as Didio's leadership still makes them money.


Is he? I don't know that. I've never seen profit numbers, and I don't even know if TW breaks out DC as a division in its statements.

Sales, while they may be better than just prior to Flashpoint, aren't all the great by the standards of the past twenty years. And anyone can inflate sales number simply by offering more product, so how much of the increase if any overall over immediate pre-Flashpoint is due to simply offering more titles? Or more Bat titles?

And I think if you give Didio and company credit for increasing sales over pre-Flashpoint, you also have to condemn them for driving sales so low in the preceding years.

I mean how wonderful is it to fuck up so badly, then manage to increase sales somewhat over your low point?
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Re: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby achilles » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:43 am

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Quesada's shop is being run the same way it was prior to the Disney purchase. Part of DC's larger problem is that the WB/Time Warner is a complete clusterfuck.

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RE: Dan Didio Responds to Williams/Blackman Controversy

Postby Magnus Dagon » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:06 am

I'm from Spain and in my country, DC is considered pure crap because of all the stuff they are doing, screwing the work of their creators and firing them. I knew that the letter of Paul Jenkins was only the tip of the iceberg, but it's amazing how fuckingly HUGE is that iceberg.

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