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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby Rockman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:54 pm

john lewis hawk wrote:I've always liked Hobgoblin simply because I think he's one of the few successful professional supervillains. Too often supervillains in comic books are psychos or morons (and usually both) where they're too incomptent to accomplish anything. Nowadays, writers use a villain's psychopathic nature as character development and that's utter shit. We fans are stuck with repetive and stagnant stories because the writers barely develop the antagonists.

As for the Joker, he doesn't need an origin story. The Joker was more than likely a completely different person before he became the Joker so his pre-Joker life doesn't matter. I personally love the idea that one day, the Joker just showed up in Gotham City and just started to plot crimes and murder people without any warning.


That tears it, I'm wrong :-(

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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby sdsichero » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:56 pm

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That tears it, I'm wrong :-(


In most cases yes. But siding with Zechs is a greater wrong.
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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby Rockman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:58 pm

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In most cases yes. But siding with Zechs is a greater wrong.


He's right about this, Slott's run on Spidey sucks so far, and most of his BND stuff sucked too. He needs to stick to comedy series.

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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby sdsichero » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:59 pm

AMS wrote:
He's right about this, Slott's run on Spidey sucks so far, and most of his BND stuff sucked too. He needs to stick to comedy series.


Okay you are Zechs level suck.

That's too bad.
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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby spidertour02 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:00 pm

AMS wrote:He's right about this, Slott's run on Spidey sucks so far, and most of his BND stuff sucked too. He needs to stick to comedy series.


The first arc was average at best, but I actually really liked the last issue (652). At the very least, this is a hell of a lot better than BND!
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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby Rockman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:00 pm

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Okay you are Zechs level suck.

That's too bad.


Do you like his output on Spider-man?

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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby Rockman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:01 pm

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The first arc was average at best, but I actually really liked the last issue (652). At the very least, this is a hell of a lot better than BND!


I hated the last issue. I thought the dialogue was atrocious. And as I mentioned before the whole skating rink scene was dumb on so many levels.

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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby SilverPhoenix » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:03 pm

AMS wrote:
He should have done the very thing he said he wouldn't, and let it be a mystery. Have Pete track down kingsley, and discover that he in fact did not come back. Have it revealed in six months that it was Phil Urich who had gone insane for some reason. That would have been better than this drech.

And for the record, mysteries suck when you know the answer. Having the reader know the outcome, while the main character doesn't it so stupid and boring. And Phil Urich, while not the best character ever, is slightly likeable. Having him become some crazy murderer ruins that, he's just some crazy sociopath now, another electro. All the paths he could have went with the concept, and he just decided to go "I'm evil.... just because". Instead he could have had a guy who desperatly wanted to do the right thing, but his own mental illness was taking him to the point where he couldn't see the line anymore. You have a potentially tragic character, who is now just some evil schlubb for Pete to take down some more *yawn*. Oh and bringing back the Kingpin to Spidey's rogues? Lame, Spidey used him up and spat him out for Daredevil, no reason to bring him back. Especially after the events of back in black.



And this is the problem I have with all of this. I'm not going to lie and say I'm some big Roderick Kingsley fan (because I'm not), but I didn't like that he died like a bitch for no apparent reason, but to establish another Villain, who's just another "mustache twirler" that has become far too prevalent at the Distinguished Competition. With the storytelling techniques at Dan Slott's proposal there is no justification for him to aim at the Lowest Common Denominator like he's aiming at.

If I had to put my finger on it, Dan Slott really doesn't do his due diligence on characters that he doesn't know, which leads to situations like this, and the one where he had Quicksilver lie to the Inhuman Court in Mighty Avengers. (which caused me to drop that book) He also has a case of passing off tired concepts as new. I'm pretty sure an evil Peter Parker storyline has been done before, and is just boring with the story structure that's already established.

It's stuff like this that makes me wish he would go to DC, where he would become an instantly utilized writer with the style Didio likes to see.

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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby spidertour02 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:13 pm

SilverPhoenix wrote:If I had to put my finger on it, Dan Slott really doesn't do his due diligence on characters that he doesn't know, which leads to situations like this, and the one where he had Quicksilver lie to the Inhuman Court in Mighty Avengers. (which caused me to drop that book) He also has a case of passing off tired concepts as new. I'm pretty sure an evil Peter Parker storyline has been done before, and is just boring with the story structure that's already established.


And that's not even bringing up the obvious similarities between Big Time and the Mackie/Byrne reboot, such as the fact that Horizon Labs is a carbon copy of TriCorp Research Foundation (right down to having identical introduction stories) ...
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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby Zechs » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:13 pm

AMS wrote:
Do you like his output on Spider-man?


He'll never confess to it, because he wishes my hatred upon him.
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Zechs...is...

I can't say it. It's too horrible. Zechs...is...not...wrong...

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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby sdsichero » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:13 pm

AMS wrote:
Do you like his output on Spider-man?


It's decent so far.

Liked Thing more though.
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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby sdsichero » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:16 pm

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He'll never confess to it, because he wishes my hatred upon him.


Don't need to. I'm sure I can inspire your hatred in so many other ways.

SilverPhoenix wrote:And this is the problem I have with all of this. I'm not going to lie and say I'm some big Roderick Kingsley fan (because I'm not), but I didn't like that he died like a bitch for no apparent reason,


He died like a bitch because he was one? :smt102
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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby SilverPhoenix » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:19 pm

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Don't need to. I'm sure I can inspire your hatred in so many other ways.



He died like a bitch because he was one? :smt102


How about the fact that bitch deaths have become an overused plot device in the Big 2 for the past 7 years, and really need to stop, because it's just damn boring? What harm would it have done for Kingsley to stay on that Island?

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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby Punchy » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:21 pm

Spider-Girl doesn't count.

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Re: Dan Slott Continues to Know Nothing About the Hobgoblin

Postby Zechs » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:26 pm

Punchy wrote:Spider-Girl doesn't count.


Slott thinks so with Phil, thus your post is mute. :P
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I especially like and admire Zechs. He's everything I wish I could be!

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Zechs...is...

I can't say it. It's too horrible. Zechs...is...not...wrong...

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