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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:09 am

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That's the thing though, the title has been a proven success.

Switching imprints because of a sales fall off doesn't make either editorial or business sense.

In short, it's stupid.

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Well, it's not a success now, which is what matters.
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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby habitual » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:09 am

The Nacireman wrote:
No, it makes sense if not enough people are buying the title.


So enough people are buying the legion title and it's fine?

Didn't you just post yesterday that DC was making "desperation moves" as far as that title was concerned?

I think Punchy might have been dead on regarding your double standards.

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby habitual » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:20 am

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Well, it's not a success now, which is what matters.


So we agree, we should change the imprint of the Legion, change the writer and artists and turn the title completely on it's head, because "It's official the new Legion series is a flop".

In essence we should burn the house down to get rid of the termites.

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby PDH » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:46 am

To be honest, I think that Constantine works much better in the DCU than in Vertigo. The whole point of the character was putting him in a room with people like Batman and then standing back and watching the fireworks. He fits there because he doesn't fit there. It's a source of interesting conflict that is entirely lost when you take him out of that context.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a Vertigo book, as well. I stopped reading it a bunch of issues ago but I have been a huge fan of it at points. The Ennis, Ellis and Azz runs in particular are all superb. It's a shame that that is coming to an end but, if I'm being brutally honest, the book hasn't been that good in a long time (though Milligan was a big improvement on some of the other writers).

I don't know whether I want to read Constantine War Journal, though. I like Lemire's JLA Dark a lot. He has a great handle on the character. I would love to see him on the JLA proper, too.

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby Punchy » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:49 am

I just think DC should do both, like Marvel have done with The Punisher, Deadpool and now Wolverine, where there are MAX versions and more all-ages versions.

Do they think people are stupid and can't tell the difference? That they'll get into trouble because some parent gives Hellblazer to their kid?

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby habitual » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:56 am

PDH wrote:To be honest, I think that Constantine works much better in the DCU than in Vertigo. The whole point of the character was putting him in a room with people like Batman and then standing back and watching the fireworks. He fits there because he doesn't fit there. It's a source of interesting conflict that is entirely lost when you take him out of that context.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a Vertigo book, as well. I stopped reading it a bunch of issues ago but I have been a huge fan of it at points. The Ennis, Ellis and Azz runs in particular are all superb. It's a shame that that is coming to an end but, if I'm being brutally honest, the book hasn't been that good in a long time (though Milligan was a big improvement on some of the other writers).

I don't know whether I want to read Constantine War Journal, though. I like Lemire's JLA Dark a lot. He has a great handle on the character. I would love to see him on the JLA proper, too.


That's the thing though, even though the title has fallen off of late it's been proven that not only does it work well in the Vertigo Universe, it works very well.

The fact that one of the longest running and really principal Vertigo titles is in this situation reflects moreso on the current editorial staff at DC than anything else.

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby habitual » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:57 am

Punchy wrote:I just think DC should do both, like Marvel have done with The Punisher, Deadpool and now Wolverine, where there are MAX versions and more all-ages versions.

Do they think people are stupid and can't tell the difference? That they'll get into trouble because some parent gives Hellblazer to their kid?


Because they think a reboot is the only way they can be successful from a sales point of view.

It's like DC editorial has given up on the idea that success comes from great writing and great art and has reduced the medium to nothing more than a series of publicity stunts.

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby Grayson » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:22 pm

habitual wrote:It's like DC editorial has given up on the idea that success comes from great writing and great art and has reduced the medium to nothing more than a series of publicity stunts.


This.

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby Zechs » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:35 pm

habitual wrote:
Because they think a reboot is the only way they can be successful from a sales point of view.

It's like DC editorial has given up on the idea that success comes from great writing and great art and has reduced the medium to nothing more than a series of publicity stunts.

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Pretty much and going to stupid 90s concepts that failed.

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:07 pm

habitual wrote:
That's the thing though, the title has been a proven success.

Switching imprints because of a sales fall off doesn't make either editorial or business sense.

In short, it's stupid.

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It's worked for Animal Man and Swamp Thing
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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:08 pm

habitual wrote:
Because they think a reboot is the only way they can be successful from a sales point of view.

It's like DC editorial has given up on the idea that success comes from great writing and great art and has reduced the medium to nothing more than a series of publicity stunts.

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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby nietoperz » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:19 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
It's worked for Animal Man and Swamp Thing


Not really: the situations are not comparable because neither character had an ongoing before the reboot, and Animal Man had been back in the DCU since 52. Also, both characters got a huge boost by being written by big-name writers: Constantine doesn't even have that.
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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:19 pm

Punchy wrote:I just think DC should do both, like Marvel have done with The Punisher, Deadpool and now Wolverine, where there are MAX versions and more all-ages versions.

Do they think people are stupid and can't tell the difference? That they'll get into trouble because some parent gives Hellblazer to their kid?


I believe the idea was to originally get the DCU characters out of Vertigo, and make it a total creator-owned imprint. Gaiman coming back to write Sandman Zero probably complicated things a little bit.
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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:32 pm

nietoperz wrote:
Not really: the situations are not comparable because neither character had an ongoing before the reboot, and Animal Man had been back in the DCU since 52. Also, both characters got a huge boost by being written by big-name writers: Constantine doesn't even have that.


I didn't consider Snyder a "big-name writer" before he started writing Detective. Same with Lemire.
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Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


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Re: Darth Didio Speaks on Hellblazer Cancellation

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:35 pm

habitual wrote:
So enough people are buying the legion title and it's fine?

Didn't you just post yesterday that DC was making "desperation moves" as far as that title was concerned?

I think Punchy might have been dead on regarding your double standards.

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No. Sales aren't fine on Legion. DC really needs to get Levitz off the title.
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Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


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