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Zechs

Outhouse Editor

Postby Zechs » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:18 am

Toadfish wrote:About fandom and the interactions they have with the writers and artists? Yes.

I am a passive comic book fan. I follow when I feel like it, when something new comes out that peaks my interest. I do not expect either Marvel or DC to actually put out a steady stream of content for me to to read and enjoy - consequentially, I do not get worked up whenever something happens behind the scenes, or when new editors are brought in and impose a new vision. When One More Day came out, I didn't complain, I just acknowledged that that storyline, and thus Spider-Mans continual storyline would likely not hold my interest and attention for a while.

You guys are different. You exist as the active, vocal fandom, in a symbiotic relationship with the publishers. I don't understand that relationship - the ins and outs of it, the how, where and why of your interactions.

I can get the comic book pages. What I don't have is the image of Dan DiDio reading the things Herald wrote about him, and then shaking his fist, saying "I'll show you". Thats the part I need help on. I don't need a guide to comics. I need a guide to comic book fans.

To put it simply, I need some way to establish definitive context for those comic book panels.


You need context of the relationship between fandom and publishers? just look at the evidence sites report at cons (here or anywhere). Look at the way Harras treated Wally West fans last year at C2E2 or at any con of last year. You see it all the time in various ways when the other pokes and prods. It's almost a cycle with few recurring themes.

Though the forums don't exist I think Herald built this rep on Rama and extended it to being on every board. Obviously creators and editorial know a select few of us due to our "habits". So I take it they probably took notice of him. I mean they have to one way or another. Maybe in a way that's why Didio took notice and wrote Harold Whiner in the Outsiders.
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:19 am

Also, it is now my mission in life to prove Dan Didio based Harold Winer on Herald. We'll have reporters at the next comic con he's at to ask him personally. :lol:
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GiveWarAChance

Not a Kardashian

Postby GiveWarAChance » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:20 am

You need a guide to comic book fans? It's like we're a whole new bizarre species. :P How are we any different then fans of anything else? I guess I must be different from the rest of these fanboys because I don't get worked up over every little change either.

I don't think we can help you any. I think you need to speak to Dan DiDio himself. If Herald can't provide you with answers here, who the heck can?
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:23 am

GiveWarAChance wrote:You need a guide to comic book fans? It's like we're a whole new bizarre species. :P How are we any different then fans of anything else? I guess I must be different from the rest of these fanboys because I don't get worked up over every little change either.

I don't think we can help you any. I think you need to speak to Dan DiDio himself. If Herald can't provide you with answers here, who the heck can?


I can! This is my new mission.
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GiveWarAChance

Not a Kardashian

Postby GiveWarAChance » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:26 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
I can! This is my new mission.

Good luck sir, you're going to need it. Once you get this done can you kindly provide all of your info to Toadfish?
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Zechs

Outhouse Editor

Postby Zechs » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:28 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Also, it is now my mission in life to prove Dan Didio based Harold Winer on Herald. We'll have reporters at the next comic con he's at to ask him personally. :lol:


If I get a restraining order put onto me if he realizes I'm Zechs I'm giving you and Herald the evil eye forevermore. :smt011 :P
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Keb

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Postby Keb » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:31 am

Toadfish wrote:About fandom and the interactions they have with the writers and artists? Yes.

I am a passive comic book fan. I follow when I feel like it, when something new comes out that peaks my interest. I do not expect either Marvel or DC to actually put out a steady stream of content for me to to read and enjoy - consequentially, I do not get worked up whenever something happens behind the scenes, or when new editors are brought in and impose a new vision. When One More Day came out, I didn't complain, I just acknowledged that that storyline, and thus Spider-Mans continual storyline would likely not hold my interest and attention for a while.

You guys are different. You exist as the active, vocal fandom, in a symbiotic relationship with the publishers. I don't understand that relationship - the ins and outs of it, the how, where and why of your interactions.

I can get the comic book pages. What I don't have is the image of Dan DiDio reading the things Herald wrote about him, and then shaking his fist, saying "I'll show you". Thats the part I need help on. I don't need a guide to comics. I need a guide to comic book fans.

To put it simply, I need some way to establish definitive context for those comic book panels.

For one, there are a lot of people who are like you who post on this site. As far as comics go, I'm also a casual reader and I come and go as I please. There are quite a few members here like that. Some members are into it but don't talk about it.

I think you have this community confused with what Newsarama used to be. This community exists because of Newsarama (as much as it pains me to say) but it really isn't Newsarama. We're pretty small-time and there aren't many comic book writers or artists who frequent our site. The most recent sightings I can think of are Dan Slott and Scott Lobdell, both of whom showed up sporadically, posted a few things and bounced.

At the end of the day, this community is really more of a community where we all share a common interest (or interests) and that is comic books. It's not really a comic book forum like Newsarama where people are going to discuss comics all the time. We're a bunch of average people (and Herald ;)) who all hang out together and talk whatever.

There aren't many rampant fanboys here.
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:35 am

Hey. The diversity of these responses speaks for itself.
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GiveWarAChance

Not a Kardashian

Postby GiveWarAChance » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:37 am

Keb wrote:For one, there are a lot of people who are like you who post on this site. As far as comics go, I'm also a casual reader and I come and go as I please. There are quite a few members here like that. Some members are into it but don't talk about it.

I think you have this community confused with what Newsarama used to be. This community exists because of Newsarama (as much as it pains me to say) but it really isn't Newsarama. We're pretty small-time and there aren't many comic book writers or artists who frequent our site. The most recent sightings I can think of are Dan Slott and Scott Lobdell, both of whom showed up sporadically, posted a few things and bounced.

At the end of the day, this community is really more of a community where we all share a common interest (or interests) and that is comic books. It's not really a comic book forum like Newsarama where people are going to discuss comics all the time. We're a bunch of average people (and Herald ;)) who all hang out together and talk whatever.

There aren't many rampant fanboys here.

Well said Keb. You pretty much just said what I was thinking but was too stupid to write. :D
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Keb

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Postby Keb » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:37 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Hey. The diversity of these responses speaks for itself.

If the Outhouse was a Wu-Tang skit, you would be U-God asking "Is he dead?" :smt011

Toadfish

Tip Top Dancer

Postby Toadfish » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:47 am

There has always been one thing about this that bugged me.

Herald, how does DiDio know you're African American?
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BubbaKanoosh

2009 Most Valuable Poster

Postby BubbaKanoosh » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:39 am

I spoke with Didio once for line 30 mins here in Toronto and I found him to be a nice guy and really genuine.
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IvCNuB4

Staff Writer

Postby IvCNuB4 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:40 am

Toadfish wrote:
You guys are different. You exist as the active, vocal fandom, in a symbiotic relationship with the publishers. I don't understand that relationship - the ins and outs of it, the how, where and why of your interactions.

I can get the comic book pages. What I don't have is the image of Dan DiDio reading the things Herald wrote about him, and then shaking his fist, saying "I'll show you". Thats the part I need help on. I don't need a guide to comics. I need a guide to comic book fans.

To put it simply, I need some way to establish definitive context for those comic book panels.


Here's another suggestion. Instead of focusing on one thing that had it's Internet "fame" for about 15 seconds years ago, why not look at all of us ? Attending a comic-con could give you all kinds of insight as you'll see this interaction live and going on all around you. Or just threads like this on multiple sites where fans will gladly give you a plethora of ideas and stories. Why not look at the relationship between Zechs and Slott that happened here ? Or any of the sites where Creators like Gail Simone and others interact with posters daily. Jude and Zechs have tried to steer you toward this path and give you this information multiple times in this thread alone yet you keep circling back to Herald and Didio.

It just seems odd.

Toadfish

Tip Top Dancer

Postby Toadfish » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:14 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:
Here's another suggestion. Instead of focusing on one thing that had it's Internet "fame" for about 15 seconds years ago, why not look at all of us ? Attending a comic-con could give you all kinds of insight as you'll see this interaction live and going on all around you. Or just threads like this on multiple sites where fans will gladly give you a plethora of ideas and stories. Why not look at the relationship between Zechs and Slott that happened here ? Or any of the sites where Creators like Gail Simone and others interact with posters daily. Jude and Zechs have tried to steer you toward this path and give you this information multiple times in this thread alone yet you keep circling back to Herald and Didio.

It just seems odd.
Was Zechs ever inserted into a comic just so he could be beat up? No? Then why on earth would I want to look into him?
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IvCNuB4

Staff Writer

Postby IvCNuB4 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:21 pm

Is 'Cracked' so desperate for material that they will accept an article about something that is years old ?
I always assumed there was a reason it was called "news".


Not to mention that you keep completely side-stepping valid points some of us are making.
Draco standard response protocol #2 :idea:

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