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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby Zechs » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:21 pm

Punchy wrote:DC needs to realise that fans don't actually care about Stephanie Brown or any of the other missing characters, they just like to complain.

The reaction to this news proves that, nobody's actually happy, just more complaining.


Punchy once again you're quite wrong. People do enjoy the character. This story is one of the biggest articles of this week. Other articles of this are trending like hell. People do care. The question is does DC truly? Or is this one of their famous have a small bone (Batman: Eternal) then retract it (the character appears in nothing else for another three years, kill her off, or give her to Scott Lobdell)?

The same thing will happen with Wally West. Cassandra Cain? The damage is done thanks to past Batman Editorial, DC's stance of not putting her entire series out to trade correctly, and Adam Beechen. But.. if Snyder is given a full chance?

The funny thing mind you is she's probably the most popular female minority character DC's got and because a few kooks in the upper offices just don't like her because her costume just doesn't please them (Jim Lee said this much on why the character never appeared in Hush).
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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby Punchy » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:27 pm

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Punchy once again you're quite wrong. People do enjoy the character. This story is one of the biggest articles of this week. Other articles of this are trending like hell. People do care. The question is does DC truly? Or is this one of their famous have a small bone (Batman: Eternal) then retract it (the character appears in nothing else for another three years, kill her off, or give her to Scott Lobdell)?

The same thing will happen with Wally West. Cassandra Cain? The damage is done thanks to past Batman Editorial, DC's stance of not putting her entire series out to trade correctly, and Adam Beechen. But.. if Snyder is given a full chance?

The funny thing mind you is she's probably the most popular female minority character DC's got and because a few kooks in the upper offices just don't like her because her costume just doesn't please them (Jim Lee said this much on why the character never appeared in Hush).


I just think the immediate jump to incredible pessimism is amusing.

For months people have wanted this character to return, and now that she is, they aren't happy, they instead immediately jump to the worst possible outcomes.

Can't you just be happy for 5 minutes? Or at least until Batman Eternal is actually out?

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby SporkBot » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:37 pm

Punchy wrote:For months people have wanted this character to return, and now that she is, they aren't happy, they instead immediately jump to the worst possible outcomes.


That's largely DC's doing, if you ask me. I'm cautiously optimistic, but a friend of mine (who was always a big fan of Steph) has no faith in the news. This isn't simply loving to complain, it's because DC has fouled up their characters and their universe. The higher-ups don't seem to know what they're doing, and they care more about gimmicks than good storytelling.

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby Zechs » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:17 pm

Punchy wrote:
I just think the immediate jump to incredible pessimism is amusing.

For months people have wanted this character to return, and now that she is, they aren't happy, they instead immediately jump to the worst possible outcomes.

Can't you just be happy for 5 minutes? Or at least until Batman Eternal is actually out?


I want to be. I was so excited a few years back when Cassandra was announced to have returned in Gates only to show up a month earlier in Batman Inc. Then those four months I was a happy fan. Then the New 52 announcement, but reassurance from Snyder she'd be still around and appear in #1. But she didn't. Then an early Batgirl moment from volume 4 that pisses me the hell off which isn't just a slap in the face to twenty years of Barbara as Oracle, but Bette, Cassandra, and Stephanie as well.

If there's anyone to blame for my misery and contempt it's DC itself for making me this way. But I have hope. Hope that this will be it. The change that can last!!
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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby Herald » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:28 pm

Punchy wrote:I just think the immediate jump to incredible pessimism is amusing.

For months people have wanted this character to return, and now that she is, they aren't happy, they instead immediately jump to the worst possible outcomes.


That's because everything Dan and the Gang have been doing with these characters IS the worst possible outcome:

The Justice League is a group of jerks in '90s throwback high collars.

Lobdell has managed to make the Teen Titans suck EVEN WORSE than before the DCnU, a feat which should not have been possible.

Lobo, of ALL characters, has been remade into a ridiculous "pretty-boy" refugee from a Final Fantasy game.

Like the others, I'm not at all interested in the prospect of seeing Steph rendered into yet another unrecognizable DCnU pod person. As I've been telling DiDio-era DC for YEARS now, if you're going to do something, do it RIGHT.

Can't you just be happy for 5 minutes?


Sure, when I read a comic created before Dan and the Gang polluted the DC characters with their imbecilic ideas...

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby Draco x » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:45 pm

Punchy wrote:DC needs to realise that fans don't actually care about Stephanie Brown or any of the other missing characters, they just like to complain.

The reaction to this news proves that, nobody's actually happy, just more complaining.


Everyone on an individual basis has characters they like regardless of how popular they are or aren't. Zechs has Stephanie, Cassandra, Cyborg Superman, the Kingsley Hobgoblin, etc, Herald has Vibe, the female Dr. Light and so on, I myself have Jean Paul Valley, Orpheus, the Eradicator and some of the aforementioned characters Zechs likes and so forth.

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby habitual » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:53 pm

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Maybe, but if he were to come back, there would still be complaining.


And then there will be people complaining about the complaining.

Have a bran muffin and quit being a dick Punch :-D

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby The Shadow » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:39 am

Draco x wrote:On another note, I hope they don't give Stephanie one of those god-awful New Image 52 redesigns like they have done so many other characters.

You mean armor with lots of unnecessary lines and either a high collar or a choker?

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby The Shadow » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:46 am

SporkBot wrote:I'm cautiously optimistic

DC lost my cautious optimism with Identity Crisis... now they get jaded cynicism. :smt011

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby IvCNuB4 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:00 pm

Grayson wrote:I hate to be the bearer of bad news but DC did just recently kill off hope in the DCnU. Seriously, the Blue Lantern corps was almost entirely wiped out and the blue light of hope was extinguished. :(


St Walker survived. I read an article somewhere that hinted that the Blue Lanterns may be returning sometime in the near future.
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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby Draco x » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:03 pm

The Shadow wrote:You mean armor with lots of unnecessary lines and either a high collar or a choker?


Pretty much this or the Rob Liefeld treatment with the big boobs, pouches and little feet.

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby SporkBot » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:03 pm

The Shadow wrote:You mean armor with lots of unnecessary lines and either a high collar or a choker?


Draco x wrote:Pretty much this or the Rob Liefeld treatment with the big boobs, pouches and little feet.


http://gabzillaz.deviantart.com/art/Bat-doodles-240819177 Top left corner for relevant hilarity.

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby adamiani » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:09 pm

Punchy wrote:I just think the immediate jump to incredible pessimism is amusing.

For months people have wanted this character to return, and now that she is, they aren't happy, they instead immediately jump to the worst possible outcomes.

Can't you just be happy for 5 minutes? Or at least until Batman Eternal is actually out?



Sorry, man. But DC hasn't earned a lot of trust lately, you know?

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby Draco x » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:25 am

adamiani wrote:

Sorry, man. But DC hasn't earned a lot of trust lately, you know?


Especially when they hire fuck-ups like Didio and Harras to steer the ship and cause it to slowly sink soon after.

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Re: DC Did Something Right Today: Stephanie Brown to Return

Postby doombug » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:26 am

Punchy wrote:DC needs to realise that fans don't actually care about Stephanie Brown or any of the other missing characters, they just like to complain.

Yes, by all means. Keep talking for all of us as if you're in our heads. :roll:

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