Zechs wrote:Twisting facts? You're the one whose gone full Chubby Checkers on us. She's cost countless lives. Every single issue up until #6 she's responsible for a loss of life. That very same Nightwing (#3) there's a subway car that loses only a "handful" of life. She shows no reason why she should still be in the suit. She "plays" with him and that's supposed to instill renewed trust? Or how about giving a lock of her hair to Dick? Yeah...
Let's break this down, shall we ?Issue #1:
McKenna's partner is killed because Barbara freezes up.Issue #2:
No dies. Huh.Issue #3:
She saves everyone on the one train, however at the last minute discovers that Mirror placed a bomb on another train. She can't be in two places at once. Issue #4:
She saves a couple from muggers. No one dies this issue.Issue #5:
While saving another couple, the mind-controlled mobster kills his own sons. Not her fault. She then stops the mobster from killing himself.Issue #6:
No one dies. Barbara gets help for the disturbed Gretel.Issue #7:
Barbara prevents Grotesque from killing the hostages.Issue #8:
It's revealed Grotesque is meta-human and can control electricity. He quickly and unexpectedly kills his own thug who tries to get out of the criminal life. I suppose you'll say she didn't move fast enough to stop him.Issue #9:
Gotham is under siege as the Talons attack everywhere at once. The entire Bat-Family is engaged. Barbara battles the female Talon with no loss of life from this battle.Issue #10:
The thug gets caught in a bear-trap because he tries to flee. Horrible yet he lives.
So Zechs, where are these "countless lives lost" because of her incompetence every
Okay since you're bringing up the time-line let's look at that time-line. She gets shot. Three years we have no clue what she does. Miracle surgery in Africa happens. Then becomes Batgirl again.
If Gail had bothered showing Barbara going through hell in training and being Batgirl again, we wouldn't be having this debate. But nope one panel, that's all we need. Though you know what we do need? Two stories of her saving James Jr from Gotham Thugs so we can tease that her brother is a creepy mofu.
Granted the 5-year time-line is vague at points but here's what we do know.Issue #0
: "Four years ago" (Year 2 DCU-time) she becomes Batgirl, acting at first solo.
Then"one year later" (Year 3 DCU-time) she joins up with Batman and Robin. She's with them maybe a year then is shot (Year 3 or 4 DCU-time).
It's a while until her father finds the clinic in South Africa that performs her surgery then she has another year of rehab & self-training. That brings us to when the #1 issues started (Year 5 DCU-time).
Even better I'll go one on you. When Gordon demands Bats to surrender Batgirl. Bruce protects her. Why? We don't know. I'm assuming he knows James Jr is alive beecause "he's Batman". But does he tell his trusted ally this? No he just stands there and gets lectured by Jim who then just unleashes his pent up frustation.
Bruce knows Barbara enough to know that she would never willingly commit murder. Which is exactly how it happened. She had concussion-induced double vision, it was raining and she knew James Jr was going to kill his mother. Barbara didn't intentionally push him off the pier. The railing broke. And then high-n-mighty Gordon won't let his own wife speak about what happened even though she can clear Batgirl of any wrong-doing. Yeah, who is acting on the wrong side of the law there ?