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by **Log-Man** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:48 pm

This is just sad.

by **Victorian Squid** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:53 pm

One reviewer talking about the Rorschach mini and why it was so underwhelming despite the creative talent said something I thought was pretty insightful: That when you take Rorschach and put him in a typical gritty street-crime environment, you lose everything that made the character so interesting in Watchmen, where he was out of his element.

by **holtom2000** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:27 pm

BlueMole wrote:
http://comicsbeat.com/dc-month-to-month ... mber-2012/

All of the Before Watchmen books have dropped by more than 50%.

It's interesting to see just how bad books like hawkman, firestorm and green arrow are doing. And all the wild storm books. Even flash is down from 2 yrs ago. And the watchman bleeding is predictable. That book needs Moore...
Afaict the big reboot is helping johns, Morrison, the bat and gl books, and a couple others.

by **TimDrake'sDumbWings** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:07 pm

holtom2000 wrote:It's interesting to see just how bad books like hawkman, firestorm and green arrow are doing. And all the wild storm books. Even flash is down from 2 yrs ago. And the watchman bleeding is predictable. That book needs Moore...
Afaict the big reboot is helping johns, Morrison, the bat and gl books, and a couple others.

I wonder if the handful of books that are still pretty successful (Batman, Justice League, Action Comics) could have been just as successful without the reboot. Because the sales of everything else are looking pretty bad.

by **Herald** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:11 pm

TimDrake'sDumbWings wrote:
I wonder if the handful of books that are still pretty successful (Batman, Justice League, Action Comics) could have been just as successful without the reboot. Because the sales of everything else are looking pretty bad.

You don't need to wonder; they would have because they ALWAYS have.
Batman and Justice League in particular are guaranteed to sell.
That's why the DCnU fanboys hyping up the "great sales!" of those books leave me...

by **IvCNuB4** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:13 pm

TimDrake'sDumbWings wrote: Because the sales of everything else are looking pretty bad.

"Everything else" ? Not according to numerous sales comparisons done by several different sources over the last 6 months.
You can Google this information. It's easy to find.

by **Arion** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:01 pm

Black Jumbo wrote:
That was pathetic of Wein. Just fucking pathetic. It's cowardly of DC corporate to have done that, no doubt, but for Wein to have put himself out there to be whored out like that, that guy I have no respect for whatsoever.

And it's all biting them in the ass--sales drop-offs for all the BW crap are staggering, and the reviews are not turning that train around, either. At this point, I'm not sure what any of the people working on those books could do that would entice me to put another dollar in their pockets. I have no problem with boycotting the entire lot of them from here on out. That includes Darwyn Cooke, before anyone says anything. Fuck him too.

I was always against Before Watchmen and I'm glad to see sales are down .

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:04 pm

I don't see the appeal of any of the Before Watchmen comics. We know what happens. We know its a money grab. Watchmen was about the story and DC already has characters about which they could tell any story they can with the Watchmen characters.

by **Arion** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:07 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:I don't see the appeal of any of the Before Watchmen comics. We know what happens. We know its a money grab. Watchmen was about the story and DC already has characters about which they could tell any story they can with the Watchmen characters.

Yes, DC took a very bad decision.
I don't know why some fans got excited about BW.

by **The Bass** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:23 pm

I'm quite enjoying some of the Before Watchmen books (but I'd always be a Fuck Alan Moore kind of guy) so to see the sales falling is pretty sad, and to see an asshole like Rude get work from DC is even worse. One to avoid.

by **DMM** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:35 pm

I don't regret my decision to not buy any Before Watchmen crap. I do regret my decision to see the movie.

by **Zechs** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:37 pm

It'll make its money alas. This thing will make a lot of money in trades.

by **holtom2000** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:45 pm

TimDrake'sDumbWings wrote:
I wonder if the handful of books that are still pretty successful (Batman, Justice League, Action Comics) could have been just as successful without the reboot. Because the sales of everything else are looking pretty bad.

That's always been my arguement. I think DC's best titles have had the least changes or are touched by the hand of Johns or Morrison. The baby, though, is out with the bathwater, unless Johns restores much of the status quo with his next big crossover, which I doubt.
And look at the pull Jim Lee has, keeping his crappy Wildstorm books in print despite low sales. Impressive

by **holtom2000** » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:46 pm

Herald wrote:
You don't need to wonder; they would have because they ALWAYS have.
Batman and Justice League in particular are guaranteed to sell.
That's why the DCnU fanboys hyping up the "great sales!" of those books leave me...

Herald, this is definitely the moment when you get to say I TOLD YOU SO

by **e_galston** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:46 am

TimDrake'sDumbWings wrote:
I wonder if the handful of books that are still pretty successful (Batman, Justice League, Action Comics) could have been just as successful without the reboot. Because the sales of everything else are looking pretty bad.

they would have been... Aquaman isn't selling because of Aquaman, its selling because Johns is writing it.