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by **Chris** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:42 pm

It's crazy to me how anyone would think this doesn't deserve to be among the best runs on the FF..

by **Chris** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:43 pm

So are Future Franklin/Valeria sticking around? Having Galactus be Franklin's herald is such a badass move.. seems like it'd be a waste for it to be a one off.

by **habitual** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:46 pm

Holland Oats wrote:So are Future Franklin/Valeria sticking around? Having Galactus be Franklin's herald is such a badass move.. seems like it'd be a waste for it to be a one off.

You'd think after what appeared to be a resurrection there'd be some quid pro quo.

There are still a few loose ends to tie up so I could see at least one maybe two more issues with them.

Hab

by **Victorian Squid** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:51 pm

The reason I don't see Franklins as a deus ex machina is that the foreshadowing of that was a natural part of the arc over time, not a case of a writer writing themselves into a corner and then going "now what?"

Just like we all knew the Human Torch wasn't really dead.

by **Chris** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:20 pm

Fat Ollie Weeks wrote:The reason I don't see Franklins as a deus ex machina is that the foreshadowing of that was a natural part of the arc over time, not a case of a writer writing themselves into a corner and then going "now what?"

Just like we all knew the Human Torch wasn't really dead.

Exactly.

by **habitual** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:03 pm

I took a look last night at the book ends of Hickman's run and appreciated how full circle it had come:

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Hab

by **Chris** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:14 pm

Wow. Great catch. That's fucking awesome.

by **Chris** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:51 am

Might be old news, but sad news nonetheless:

After a three-year run examining the adventures of Marvel's First Family, Jonathan Hickman is leaving "Fantastic Four" in October.

I didn't know this.

by **Amoebas** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:00 pm

Holland Oats wrote:Might be old news, but sad news nonetheless:

I didn't know this.

Yet you posted in the thread about it a few times :smt017

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by **Chris** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:00 pm

I must have blocked it out.

by **habitual** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:10 pm

I would have too, but, I am really looking forward to his run on Avengers.

And future Franklin was in the solicit for the next issue so it seems they hang out for a bit longer.

Hab

by **Chris** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:17 pm

Have they confirmed Avengers yet, or is it still the worst kept secret at Marvel?

by **habitual** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:27 pm

I haven't seen any real confirmation, but, I'm sure that there are folks here that would know better than I would.

Hab

by **Victorian Squid** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:34 pm

It's still technically a rumor as far as I know, but I think that will change shortly.

by **Punchy** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:12 pm

Get ready to bring out your torches and pitchforks once again you Hickman fans, because I really didn’t like this one. I’ve seen people talking about how this brought Hickman’s run full-circle and shows how he’s some kind of genius, but I can’t really see it. Yes, it did end in the same way his run began with a father trying to get his son to jump off a ledge, but other than that… it made no sense. Future-Franklin shows up out of nowhere, fights some Celestials, brings back Galactus, which for some reason turns the tide even though Galactus had been soundly beaten by the Celestials last month. The reasons why Franklin did what he did or why he managed to win this time were never explained by Hickman, or at least not in a way that got through to me. There were some good moments like when Future-Franklin and Now-Franklin spoke at the same time, and the resurrection of Galactus was cool when seen in isolation, but other than that… a rather confusing mess. Epting’s art was fantastic as usual, but still an unsatisfying conclusion.