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[Chris]

Get ready to bring out your torches and pitchforks once again you Hickman fans, because I really didn’t like this one. I’ve seen people talking about how this brought Hickman’s run full-circle and shows how he’s some kind of genius, but I can’t really see it. Yes, it did end in the same way his run began with a father trying to get his son to jump off a ledge, but other than that… it made no sense. Future-Franklin shows up out of nowhere, fights some Celestials, brings back Galactus, which for some reason turns the tide even though Galactus had been soundly beaten by the Celestials last month. The reasons why Franklin did what he did or why he managed to win this time were never explained by Hickman, or at least not in a way that got through to me. There were some good moments like when Future-Franklin and Now-Franklin spoke at the same time, and the resurrection of Galactus was cool when seen in isolation, but other than that… a rather confusing mess. Epting’s art was fantastic as usual, but still an unsatisfying conclusion.

Franklin and Valeria didn't appear out of nowhere.. the last we saw them, they were in the future, and they jumped into a portal.

And Galactus being beaten by the Celestials before is irrelevant. He didn't have young Franklin's mini-galaxy-universe-thing that Young Franklin gave Old Franklin powering him then. He did now in this issue.

[habitual]

Get ready to bring out your torches and pitchforks once again you Hickman fans, because I really didn’t like this one. I’ve seen people talking about how this brought Hickman’s run full-circle and shows how he’s some kind of genius, but I can’t really see it. Yes, it did end in the same way his run began with a father trying to get his son to jump off a ledge, but other than that… it made no sense. Future-Franklin shows up out of nowhere, fights some Celestials, brings back Galactus, which for some reason turns the tide even though Galactus had been soundly beaten by the Celestials last month. The reasons why Franklin did what he did or why he managed to win this time were never explained by Hickman, or at least not in a way that got through to me. There were some good moments like when Future-Franklin and Now-Franklin spoke at the same time, and the resurrection of Galactus was cool when seen in isolation, but other than that… a rather confusing mess. Epting’s art was fantastic as usual, but still an unsatisfying conclusion.

If you don't get it then you really didn't pay attention, it's one of those comics that requires attention to detail. Literally every thing in this issue had some antecedent in a past issue.

And as far as Galactus being defeated last month he was taken down by the combined might of 4 Celestials which are then blasted with Sol's Anvil, Franklin takes down, leaving only two left , not confusing, not a mess, you just didn't pay attention to the details.

Hab

[Punchy]

Franklin and Valeria didn't appear out of nowhere.. the last we saw them, they were in the future, and they jumped into a portal.

And Galactus being beaten by the Celestials before is irrelevant. He didn't have young Franklin's mini-galaxy-universe-thing that Young Franklin gave Old Franklin powering him then. He did now in this issue.

But how did Future-Franklin become the weird outline guy that was speaking to Now-Franklin? Where was Future-Val in all of this? Was she an outline somewhere?

[Amoebas]

Future-Franklin shows up out of nowhere, fights some Celestials, brings back Galactus, which for some reason turns the tide even though Galactus had been soundly beaten by the Celestials last month.

So what was the point of killing Galactus only to bring him back ten minutes later?

And I know I've dumped on Hickman for his run, but seriously, who's idea was it for the recent covers? I keep thinking it's a kids coloring book.

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[habitual]

But how did Future-Franklin become the weird outline guy that was speaking to Now-Franklin? Where was Future-Val in all of this? Was she an outline somewhere?

Literally every question you're asking is explained in at least one panel. The 580's were important in setting all this up. I realized upon rereading this is that every panel has meaning, we see Val appearing in the bubble that Franklin created in the 45th century after speaking with her mother in the past, and then her and Franklin leap into that huge hole that he kicked his grandfather down earlier. The line is exactly the same when they appear in #604. That's what I admire about Hickman, he's very efficient in terms of what he's delivering to you story wise, there isn't much that's frivolous. It's a more intense read than many other Marvel books on the stand these days.

Hab

[Punchy]

Literally every question you're asking is explained in at least one panel. The 580's were important in setting all this up. I realized upon rereading this is that every panel has meaning, we see Val appearing in the bubble that Franklin created in the 45th century after speaking with her mother in the past, the line is exactly the same when they appear in #604. That's what I admire about Hickman, he's very efficient in terms of what he's delivering to you story wise, there isn't much that's frivolous. It's a more intense read than many other Marvel books on the stand these days.

Hab

If it's explained, explain it to me.

[habitual]

If it's explained, explain it to me.

What's your question? I just told you everything that was going on with future Val, be specific.

Hab

[Victorian Squid]

The cover is really bad, I was going to mention that too.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

I only jumped on about halfway through Hickman's run so it wasn't as powerful for me. Definitely enjoyable though and a nice break from the dreck that the Avengers corner of the Marvel U has been lately. I wonder what Hickman does now until October to set up for the next writer.

[Victorian Squid]

I only jumped on about halfway through Hickman's run so it wasn't as powerful for me. Definitely enjoyable though and a nice break from the dreck that the Avengers corner of the Marvel U has been lately. I wonder what Hickman does now until October to set up for the next writer.

For one thing, a visit to the transformed Negative Zone with Annihilus in tow. How it has changed in both his and John Storm's absences, who knows? Remember time flows much more quickly there.

[Amoebas]

For one thing, a visit to the transformed Negative Zone with Annihilus in tow. How it has changed in both his and John Storm's absences, who knows? Remember time flows much more quickly there.

Actually time flows there just like it does here. It's the Distortion Zone separating the two universes that is chronoly unstable (FF #251).

And who the hell is "John" Storm?

[Victorian Squid]

Actually time flows there just like it does here. It's the Distortion Zone separating the two universes that is chronoly unstable (FF #251).

And who the hell is "John" Storm?

Yeah but John Storm said time moved faster there a couple issues ago.

[Punchy]

Don't get him started on that!

[Victorian Squid]

Don't get him started on that!

Names are spelled differently in the Negative Zone, duh!

[Victorian Squid]

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