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So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby djef » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:44 pm

When they named the Serpent, why didn't they know that Cul means Ass?

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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby jeremy » Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:34 pm

I loved this series up to until the last book, then it kinda dropped to OK for me. I thought it spent too much of the series building to the finale and then the finale felt kinda rushed. And the four different epilogues were a bit much.

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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby habitual » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:56 pm

xaraan wrote:I loved this series up to until the last book, then it kinda dropped to OK for me. I thought it spent too much of the series building to the finale and then the finale felt kinda rushed. And the four different epilogues were a bit much.


I agree.

I also think this is the first time I had more of a problem with the art than I did the actual story, the only cool splash page as mentioned earlier was Steve picking up Mjolnir. There was no transformational scene with the new weapons even when Tony said there would be one early in the issue and also no funeral pyre.

Endings are always hard, but, this was really bad for no reason.

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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby avengingtitan » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:58 pm

I like the story overall but this felt like it was missing a page or two.
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby Chris » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:05 pm

mrorangesoda wrote:
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Thor's already dead? How long was that return? 5 years?


Considering how he'll be back for that new Avengers ongoing, I'm sure this won't last long.
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby Chris » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:08 pm

The President wrote:Still, it was a solid event. Best one in a long time (that's why Bendis shouldn't write them).


I agree that it was a solid event.

Massively disagree that it was the best in a long time.

Siege blows this out of the water.

Even Secret Invasion was better.

The one complaint I agree with about this book was that it has felt like an outline rather than an actual story.
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby Frag » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:11 pm

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I agree that it was a solid event.

Massively disagree that it was the best in a long time.

Siege blows this out of the water.

Even Secret Invasion was better.

The one complaint I agree with about this book was that it has felt like an outline rather than an actual story.


Siege was enjoyable, but mindless.

Secret Invasion was a huge letdown. So much potential, so big a fail.
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby e_galston » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:54 am

Holland Oats wrote:
Considering how he'll be back for that new Avengers ongoing, I'm sure this won't last long.


Where do you get that?? He's not on the cover..
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby e_galston » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:56 am

SuperginraiX wrote:He got a suit covered in some kind of spikes?

Honestly, the Mighty concept would have worked better if it was actually given more depth. They get the suits, they fight in them mostly off panel, the Mighty weapons are thrown back into the vat at the end of the fight. Kinda useless.


I'm still trying to figure out how Red She-Hulk got there since she wasn't with the group last issue. It seems like that group changes by the panel, though so maybe it wasn't really that planned out. I'm still trying to figure out why Tony would make a weapon for her or why she would have even been on his mind. I can understand most of the rest but Red She-Hulk just leaves me scratching my head. Last we saw, she was in Brazil and I don't remember her ever even registering on Iron Man's radar.


Maybe she went back with the Avengers that were there? Weren't there Avengers who ended up down there in one of the Avengers Tie- Ins?
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby avengingtitan » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:16 am

e_galston wrote:
Where do you get that?? He's not on the cover..

Actually he was but he was taken off. Look at it again theres a hole near the top corner where he was at.
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby fieldy snuts » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:13 am

The latest Mighty Thor solicitations hint he's around:
http://marvel.com/comic_books/issue/382 ... hor_2011_9

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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby Zechs » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:44 am

djef wrote:When they named the Serpent, why didn't they know that Cul means Ass?


Because they knew how bad the villain for this was.
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby Chris » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:38 pm

e_galston wrote:
Where do you get that?? He's not on the cover..


He's been photoshopped out of it, I thought. You can see where he would fit in.
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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby Chris » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:41 pm

The President wrote:
Siege was enjoyable, but mindless.

Secret Invasion was a huge letdown. So much potential, so big a fail.


Siege was no more mindless than Fear Itself has been. And Secret Invasion no more a letdown than Fear Itself, as well.

I think of these three, Siege was the most solid from concept, to mix of action and story.. it was a complete package. The other two had a good setup, but just failed to put it all together. I think Secret Invasion was more enjoyable in that respect, but still not without many faults.

I feel like the actual Fear Itself book was basically a Cliffs Notes version of the event as a whole, whereas much of the actual story took place in the tie-ins.

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Re: So Fear Itself is finally over (FI #7 spoilers)

Postby SuperginraiX » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:06 pm

e_galston wrote:
Maybe she went back with the Avengers that were there? Weren't there Avengers who ended up down there in one of the Avengers Tie- Ins?

Yeah, she made a brief appearance in Avengers #15 when Spider-Woman, Ms. Marvel, the Protector, and Hawkeye went down to Brazil to fight Nul/ Hulk. When those four were called back to New York in Avengers #17, she was no where to be seen.

Three of those four made a brief appearance in Ghost Rider #3 on their drive back to the states (their Quinjet had been destroyed in the battle with Nul). They were in Columbia at the time. Since the Protector isn't seen, it's POSSIBLE that Red She-Hulk is also just off panel (more likely the writer and/ or artist on the book just forgot about the Protector).

All of them are back in New York for Fear Itself #6 when the teams split up to take Thor back to Asgard and to defend New York. Red She-Hulk is no where to be seen.


And the problem I have with it is that Fraction KNEW where he was going. He knew that he was setting up specific Avengers to become the Mighty because we saw teaser images a LONG time ago. Maybe there were last minute changes. Maybe. But still, the series doesn't set up the specific characters in Broxton in the story. Red She-Hulk is just the biggest offender but not the only one.

In Fear Itself #6, Luke Cage and the New Avengers are left to defend/ evacuate/ whatever New York City. That places Iron Fist and Dr. Strange in NYC instead of Broxton and no panel in FI #6 magically shows them traveling to Fallen Asgard. Instead, Hawkeye specifically says that Luke's team has New York while they do their jobs here. Spider-Man is still swinging around New York, looking for his Aunt after Rogers and his team teleport to Asgard.

The Avengers at the World Tree as seen at the end of Fear Itself #6 are Captain America, Red Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, Protector, Hawkeye, and Wolverine. We see Dark Asgard floating in the background of that issue. There's no time for the others to make a crosscountry trek.

But in Fear Itself #7, there they are. No explanation. They're just needed for the plot so there they are. It makes me wonder if Stuart Immonen and Matt Fraction were really on the same page for what they were planning or if Fraction was just making it up as he went along. It's sloppy storytelling. I keep thinking I might be nitpicking but this isn't that. This is "Character A was not in position for his next scene so suddenly he was." With seven issues to work with and a multitude of tie-ins, it should have been an easy matter to get the right Avengers in the right place and have that make sense. Instead, it seems like random Avengers are drawn in every scene without anyone checking the plot.

But I read all of the Fear Itself issues and then wrote about them so I'm much more burnt out than your average reader who probably didn't notice that Spidey was still swinging around New York when last we saw him. I get that. It's still sloppy storytelling.
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