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The Beast

Swedish Pinata of Death

Postby The Beast » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:14 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
He's how I'm predicting the last 2 issues to go:

#6: a philosophical debate between Batman and Luthor where at the end they finally put aside their differences and go to confront the Society
#7: the fight finally comes, the Society are too distracted by the red ribbon and are defeated easily. the Justice League may or may not be freed from the Firestorm Matrix by now, depends on page count limitations. Injustice league beats the Society, the new villain comes out for a cliffhanger ending with the last panel saying "TO BE CONTINUED IN: THE FIRST CRISIS (TECHNICALLY THE FIRST IN THE NEW 52) WE PROMISE".

And on this board IvcnuB4 will respond to the criticism with "Y U H8 DC?"


:lol:

Unfortunately, I think you're right, I dont see it working out any other way.
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fieldy snuts

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Postby fieldy snuts » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:15 pm

syxxpakk wrote:That sounds like two different things though.

Sinestro Corps laid the groundwork for the various Rings, but it didn't lead directly into Blackest Night. I can understand the complaint of Trinity War immediately followed by Forever Evil. But to complain that Sinestro Corps War set up Blackest Night seems ridiculous.


More like everything. For how many years after Blackest Night were were just getting this treatment from Brightest Day until Wrath of the First Lantern? Even Wrath was used as a vehicle for him to write up Volthoom.
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syxxpakk

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby syxxpakk » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:17 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
More like everything. For how many years after Blackest Night were were just getting this treatment from Brightest Day until Wrath of the First Lantern? Even Wrath was used as a vehicle for him to write up Volthoom.


9 issues. We're talking two different things though.

I for the longest time thought your complaints centered around the fact that Rise of the Third Army led immediately into Wrath of the First Lantern, same as Trinity War into Forever Evil. I could understand that complaint.

But because he uses stories to set up further stories? I certainly hope you level that same criticism at Marvel, because I think they do the same thing. Also, pretty much every comic book company ever.
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fieldy snuts

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Postby fieldy snuts » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:21 pm

syxxpakk wrote:
9 issues. We're talking two different things though.

I for the longest time thought your complaints centered around the fact that Rise of the Third Army led immediately into Wrath of the First Lantern, same as Trinity War into Forever Evil. I could understand that complaint.

But because he uses stories to set up further stories? I certainly hope you level that same criticism at Marvel, because I think they do the same thing. Also, pretty much every comic book company ever.


9 issues?!

Blackest Night to War of the Green Lanterns ends to Sinestro agent of Oa, to Simon Baz, to the Third Army to Wrath of the Green Lanterns.

Each time every ending was just filler to the next thing. and the last few were all events that spanned 3+ books.

Johns has forgotten what and ending is. He thinks just because a series is ongoing no story should ever have a resolution and it should all just keep ballooning endlessly.

And he's doing the same shit through 2 Justice League series, a Vibe series and I'm not sure what else now.
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syxxpakk

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Postby syxxpakk » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:25 pm

Yes. He sets up stories using other stories. That's generally what happens in this medium.

Disassembled set up House of M. House of M set up Civil War. Civil War set up Secret Invasion. Secret Invasion set up Siege.

Like I said, I agree that they probably could have done better to not have one event immediately followed by another. But to complain about using an event to set up the framework for another event, nope. Sorry. That to me is something that is commonplace in comic books today and have been for the better part of almost 15 years.
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fieldy snuts

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Postby fieldy snuts » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:25 pm

syxxpakk wrote:But because he uses stories to set up further stories? I certainly hope you level that same criticism at Marvel, because I think they do the same thing. Also, pretty much every comic book company ever.


As crap as Age of Ultron was, at least we saw Ultron beaten and everyone settle down before the epilogues.

And with Infinity, at least we saw the Builders and Thanos beaten by the time it ended and the checklist truly did cover every bit of the series. And Hickman at least had the decency to continue the storylines for regular readers of the book AFTER the event ended.

Johns can never end a story completely, he leaves 500 plot threads neglected and then just spins it into the next thing until he can be fucked getting to them. That's the difference.
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syxxpakk

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby syxxpakk » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:26 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
As crap as Age of Ultron was, at least we saw Ultron beaten and everyone settle down before the epilogues.

And with Infinity, at least we saw the Builders and Thanos beaten by the time it ended and the checklist truly did cover every bit of the series. And Hickman at least had the decency to continue the storylines for regular readers of the book AFTER the event ended.


Sinestro Corp Wars saw Sinestro beaten. Blackest Night saw Nekron beaten.
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fieldy snuts

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Postby fieldy snuts » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:27 pm

syxxpakk wrote:
Sinestro Corp Wars saw Sinestro beaten. Blackest Night saw Nekron beaten.


2 examples in almost a decade of stories.
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syxxpakk

Wrasslin' Fan

Postby syxxpakk » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:31 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
2 examples in almost a decade of stories.


Those are his two (of three or four) major events in a decade of stories. This is why I keep saying we're discussing different things. You're complaining about storytelling - and the kind of storytelling that is done in pretty much all comics so I don't know why you read them TBH - I thought (again) that you were complaining about how one event leads right into the next.
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fieldy snuts

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Postby fieldy snuts » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:46 pm

The instances this has happened are the more recent ones and you can see that. It shows his decline into becoming a shit writer and where the slide started.

He's a present day present Chis Claremont.
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IvCNuB4

Staff Writer

Postby IvCNuB4 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:47 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
And on this board IvcnuB4 will respond to the criticism with "Y U H8 DC?"



And once again you'll be too busy being snarky to be correct :P
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fieldy snuts

Rain Partier

Postby fieldy snuts » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:53 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:

And once again you'll be too busy being snarky to be correct :P


I was both ;)
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Chessack

dINGO

Postby Chessack » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:19 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:Each time every ending was just filler to the next thing. and the last few were all events that spanned 3+ books.

Johns has forgotten what and ending is. He thinks just because a series is ongoing no story should ever have a resolution and it should all just keep ballooning endlessly.

And he's doing the same shit through 2 Justice League series, a Vibe series and I'm not sure what else now.


This.

This is why I stopped reading JL and JLA, and why I refused to even glance at Forever Evil.
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McMonkey Nut

Rain Partier

Postby McMonkey Nut » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:48 pm

I don't care if it leads into another event or story as long as they are good stories.
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Zechs

Outhouse Editor

Postby Zechs » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:30 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
He's a present day present Chis Claremont.



Geoff Johns hires hookers to dress like Hal Jordan and Sinestro? :smt017

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