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Michael King

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Postby Michael King » Fri May 31, 2013 6:53 pm

Will this get taken back when it's revealed in the next issue or two that it wasn't really Catwoman who got killed (or that Catwoman just wasn't killed or whatever the explanation will be)?
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BlueStreak

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Postby BlueStreak » Fri May 31, 2013 7:02 pm

FBtron wrote:Will this get taken back when it's revealed in the next issue or two that it wasn't really Catwoman who got killed (or that Catwoman just wasn't killed or whatever the explanation will be)?


Will it somehow physically erase a needlessly graphic scene depicting the death of a female character for the sole purpose of affecting a male superhero? If not, then no.
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Michael King

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Postby Michael King » Fri May 31, 2013 9:19 pm

BlueStreak wrote:

"Will it somehow physically erase a needlessly graphic scene depicting the death of a female character for the sole purpose of affecting a male superhero? If not, then no."

Fair enough. Just wondering.
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superfictious

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Postby superfictious » Fri May 31, 2013 9:43 pm

Tits and a whip doesn't make her death any more special than if it were Nightwing or Alfred taking the bullet.
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superfictious

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Postby superfictious » Fri May 31, 2013 9:46 pm

Breasts and a whip doesn't make her death any more special than if it were Nightwing or Alfred taking the bullet. It was graphic and gratuitous, sure, but nothing uncommon, nothing irreversible, and if it serves a greater narrative purpose, then it's all good. Too early to know for sure, though.
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:16 am

Zero wrote:
Stop prodding the feminists!!


I can't help it!

Anyways, there is no way Catwoman is actually dead so this whole thing is fucking stupid.
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LoganRSA

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Postby LoganRSA » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:19 am

There's a big difference between killing a character and writing a cliffhanger.

This is a cliffhanger.

I don't understand why everyone is talking about this like they're actually killing Catwoman. (Not that I would mind seeing her dead, personally.) The story's not over. She's not dead. Sheesh.
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Food Eater lad

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Postby Food Eater lad » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:05 am

All I am saying is that if she were in the kitchen, making Batman a sandwich, then she wouldn't have been shot.
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LoganRSA

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Postby LoganRSA » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:56 am

Food Eater lad wrote:All I am saying is that if she were in the kitchen, making Batman a sandwich, then she wouldn't have been shot.


That's the first sensible thing anyone has said!
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:04 am

Log-Man wrote:There's a big difference between killing a character and writing a cliffhanger.

This is a cliffhanger.

I don't understand why everyone is talking about this like they're actually killing Catwoman. (Not that I would mind seeing her dead, personally.) The story's not over. She's not dead. Sheesh.


The issue is that it's been established that the comics industry, and DC in particular, has a bad habit of using female characters as props to be raped, tortured, killed, or stuffed in refrigerators for the purpose of affecting male characters. So when they do it again so graphically, even if it's just temporary or a red herring, it calls attention to all the other times they did it.

Whether you agree or not, you can certainly see how it would be inviting exactly this kind of criticism.
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LoganRSA

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Postby LoganRSA » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:25 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
The issue is that it's been established that the comics industry, and DC in particular, has a bad habit of using female characters as props to be raped, tortured, killed, or stuffed in refrigerators for the purpose of affecting male characters. So when they do it again so graphically, even if it's just temporary or a red herring, it calls attention to all the other times they did it.

Whether you agree or not, you can certainly see how it would be inviting exactly this kind of criticism.


I understand the fridging aspect (btw, I love that "fridge" is now a verb) but that's not what I'm talking about. People here and on other boards seems to be treating this as a 'genuine' death, going so far as to guess who the new Catwoman will be. It just seems rather pointless to me. No, that's not it. It's just flat out missing the point. This used to be the way stories were told all the time. As I say, it's a classic cliffhanger. But we've become so jaded to the useless and lazy shock value of character deaths that we attack that immediately without even thinking if this is even an appropriate case.
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:30 am

Log-Man wrote:
I understand the fridging aspect (btw, I love that "fridge" is now a verb) but that's not what I'm talking about. People here and on other boards seems to be treating this as a 'genuine' death, going so far as to guess who the new Catwoman will be. It just seems rather pointless to me. No, that's not it. It's just flat out missing the point. This used to be the way stories were told all the time. As I say, it's a classic cliffhanger. But we've become so jaded to the useless and lazy shock value of character deaths that we attack that immediately without even thinking if this is even an appropriate case.


Again though, is that the fault of jaded fans, or the fault of publishers who overuse the "shocking character death" at every opportunity?
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superfictious

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Postby superfictious » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:45 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Again though, is that the fault of jaded fans, or the fault of publishers who overuse the "shocking character death" at every opportunity?


Fans who've been reading comic books long enough to know better. You can't blame publishers and creators for every overreaction of fandom.
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IvCNuB4

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Postby IvCNuB4 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:34 pm

Was the moral outrage as high when this happened ? Serious question. I don't remember what the on-line reaction was.

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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:38 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:Was the moral outrage as high when this happened ? Serious question. I don't remember what the on-line reaction was.

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I don't remember there being any outrage but then again I also remember the character being hated almost as much as her AMC series counterpart was. So I am guessing that nobody has ever liked the character enough to be outraged about her death. :smt102

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