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Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JLA #4]

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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby legoroni » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:15 am

This is probably someone pretending to be Catwoman. I can't see DC killing her off. Plus, she currently has an ongoing which isn't ending

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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby Lord Ice » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:58 am

Don't think we'd get lucky enough and find out it was really Harper Row.
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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby habitual » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:34 am

IvCNuB4 wrote:Was the moral outrage as high when this happened ? Serious question. I don't remember what the on-line reaction was.

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Since Image doesn't have the same rep as DC for "fridging women", its not relally relevant.

I'd also argue that TWD is a comic written for a much older audience than JLA.

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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby Victorian Squid » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:47 am

IvCNuB4 wrote:Was the moral outrage as high when this happened ? Serious question. I don't remember what the on-line reaction was.

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...

You know they were killed by a woman, right? :wink:

Do you really read the book and remember the circumstances of that death (and yeah, many people were upset about it, but...)?

The Gov. bullies one of the women under his control to fire as the escapees flee, cutting Lori and the baby down. But afterwards, grief-stricken with what she's done, she flips and kills The Governor.
First off, there's a lot more going on there. Secondly, there's a resolution that follows, not a typical superhero comic book story of the usual dupes or mistaken identities drawn out for who knows how many issues.

BUT, having said all that, all you have to do is google "Robert Kirkman sexism misogyny" to see that the guy has gotten his share of online chastising--most recently for his comment that women are physically weaker according to science!

The reaction from readers seemed stronger in the letters columns when Glenn was killed, because a) readers actually liked the character, b) there was no near-immediate retribution for the killer.

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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby IvCNuB4 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:48 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:The issue is that it's been established that the comics industry, and DC in particular, has a bad habit of using female characters as props to be raped, tortured, killed, or stuffed in refrigerators for the purpose of affecting male characters. So when they do it again so graphically, even if it's just temporary or a red herring, it calls attention to all the other times they did it.

Whether you agree or not, you can certainly see how it would be inviting exactly this kind of criticism.


Interesting point. But then where was the Front Page article of righteous indignation over this cover from just last month :smt017

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Which surely then must have dug up the emotional impact of these previous disturbingly dark and edgy moments :P

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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:21 pm

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Interesting point. But then where was the Front Page article of righteous indignation over this cover from just last month :smt017

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Which surely then must have dug up the emotional impact of these previous disturbingly dark and edgy moments :P

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Can't see the cover, so can't respond. :P
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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby Victorian Squid » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:23 pm

I don't have the slightest idea who that is on that cover.

Maybe it's because no one cared? :lol:

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Postby Punchy » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:25 pm

IvC, one of those images is of consensual sex between two people who would later get married and have a kid, it doesn't really fit.

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:26 pm

Now I see it. I do remember seeing that cover and finding it absurd that what appears to be a somewhat shiny vinyl or leather outfit still allows Monet's ribs and belly button still show through it.

But as for her death itself, it was built up to for a while and clearly meant to have emotional impact on its own and wasn't meant, let alone implicitly stated, to be for the purpose of affecting a male character.
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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby IvCNuB4 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:49 pm

Punchy wrote:IvC, one of those images is of consensual sex between two people who would later get married and have a kid, it doesn't really fit.


Yeah, and she's gritting her teeth out of ecstacy :lol:
Oh no, it's out of "pain ... humility .. anger"

I don't think Hallmark makes a card for that :lol:

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:But as for her death itself, it was built up to for a while and clearly meant to have emotional impact on its own and wasn't meant, let alone implicitly stated, to be for the purpose of affecting a male character.


So graphic violence against women is cool as long as it's for emotional impact. That explains nailing Jubilee to a cross.
Gotcha :lol:
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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby Grayson » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:53 pm

Punchy wrote:IvC, one of those images is of consensual sex between two people who would later get married and have a kid, it doesn't really fit.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they didn't conceive their child on that particular night... :smt102
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Postby IvCNuB4 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:00 pm

Grayson wrote:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they didn't conceive their child on that particular night... :smt102


Dude, we're talking about a universe where Carol Danver's own son impregnated her so he could be born :lol:
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Postby Grayson » Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:05 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:Dude, we're talking about a universe where Carol Danver's own son impregnated her so he could be born :lol:


Carol Danver's own son impregnating her so he could be born is more plausible than Luke Cage impregnating Jessica Jones while giving her the old Nutter Butter Fudge Slide. :P
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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:08 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:
Yeah, and she's gritting her teeth out of ecstacy :lol:
Oh no, it's out of "pain ... humility .. anger"

I don't think Hallmark makes a card for that :lol:



So graphic violence against women is cool as long as it's for emotional impact. That explains nailing Jubilee to a cross.
Gotcha :lol:


It's not okay. :lol: I don't know why you get the impression I'm defending Marvel. When Marvel gets my attention, I make fun of them the same as anyone else. I mean, you WERE around for the entirety of the Avengers vs. X-Men event, right?

I think Marvel just plays it smart. We only received one press release from them last week, the one about the website revamp (which I made fun of). I think they may have covertly almost-blacklisted us, but are smart enough to stay quiet about it instead of dumbly bringing Zechs in a room to berate him so we can muckrake to great profit in response. :P
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Re: Get Ready For The Shitstorm: DC Edition [SPOILERS for JL

Postby BlueStreak » Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:15 pm

Also, Nac bitched and moaned about that X-Factor cover, IIRC.
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