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The Shadow

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby The Shadow » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:38 pm

UnionJack wrote:And Cat, I must be as ancient as you - I loved First Comics.....

Just re-read my run of Jon Sable!!
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The Shadow

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby The Shadow » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:40 pm

chap22 wrote:let me just say, I think you guys are really, REALLY overstating the breadth and depth of the current Marvel "events".

first of all, the X-"event" is a standard X-event, meaning it just crosses over between 4 x-books, tells a solid story, and doesn't tie into any other outside books.

and yeah, Avengers, New Avengers, and I guess Avengers Assemble (which I don't read) are sucked into Infinity at the moment, but they're not stupid cash-grabbing "slice of life" non-important tie-ins like all the Bendis books were doing SI or Siege, etc. they're actually part of the story. and the following titles are currently Infinity-free and kicking ass:

Captain America
Thor, God of Thunder
Hawkeye
Uncanny Avengers
Daredevil
Indestructible Hulk
FF
Fantastic Four
Venom
Scarlet Spider

plus plenty more non tie-ins like Iron Man, Avengers Arena, Young Avengers, etc etc


the majority of Marvel's books are NOT involved. so what the hell's all the hubbub about? read the books you like, skip the event if you want (although I wouldn't recommend skipping Infinity or Battle of the Atom, they're both great so far)

This post.

Well said and what I was thinking.
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The Shadow

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby The Shadow » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:34 pm

Chessack wrote:This is the problem with Crossovers. Here are the options you have with a story that hop-scotches from title to title:

1. Buy just your series, and accept being completely lost and confused for as many as 6 months because you're not reading all the other parts.

2. Buy all the other parts, even though you don't read those other books, thus wasting lots of money ad reading material by creative teams you may not even like, about characters you don't care for enough to collect.

3. Don't buy your series at all, thus missing as many as 6 installments of your favorite series so you don't have to deal with the crossover at all.

But that's not what all Marvel crossovers do.

The current X-Men is doing that but Infinity isn't.

Your number 3 is also a bit off... I can't honestly think of any event crossover that ran 6 issues in a series.
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UnionJack

Mad Hatter

Postby UnionJack » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:04 am

The Shadow wrote:Just re-read my run of Jon Sable!!


Absolute classic. Must see if the trades of the web series are still available.

I'm with Cat & Chessack. Fed up with events & crossovers. They're usually damp squibs for one thing and always too intrusive on regular series. Not so bad if all the series involved happen to be on your regular pull-list anyway but they do inhibit the flow & development of books. If I'm buying a series I want to see stories developing that character & it's supporting cast.

I think event/crossovers should be self-contained limited series, no tie-ins. If it's considered important enough an event then get good creators on it with a story that's actually resolved, not a set-up for the next event.

But then, these things aren't about good stories - they're about sales.
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SuperginraiX

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Postby SuperginraiX » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:55 am

The Shadow wrote:Buy the floppies. Saves time and worries over how well they are put together.

Ah... no. My floppy days are well behind me now.
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bkthomson

Rain Partier

Postby bkthomson » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:12 am

I have not read a comic in over a year and a half. Pretty sad when I was buying 225 comics a month. I think I have to blame my kindle as I'm finding better books to read than comics.
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:54 am

TimDrake'sDumbWings wrote:
Marvel's recap page has been a godsend in this sense. You are literally told everything you need to know before the first panel.

I personally love skipping an issue or two of a Marvel comic and seeing only one or two lines of text detailing something that happened in the issue I skipped. That just shows how easy it is to do without an issue here or there.


It also shows how little happens in decompressed comix. :P
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SuperginraiX

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Postby SuperginraiX » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:57 am

bkthomson wrote:I have not read a comic in over a year and a half. Pretty sad when I was buying 225 comics a month. I think I have to blame my kindle as I'm finding better books to read than comics.

:shock:

Wow.

I thought I was changing my ways!

I still read the odd ComiXology purchase when IDW's Transformers titles take their price drop... and then I rebuy those in trade because I like physical objects. :smt102

I'm seriously considering selling/ getting rid of a good portion of my comic boxes. They just take up so much room and everything's so inaccessible (especially since I have to store them in my mother-in-law's room). It's so much easier getting to my comics on a Kindle.

Or on the bookshelf. Trades look very nice on my shelf.
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bkthomson

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Postby bkthomson » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:12 am

SuperginraiX wrote: :shock:

Wow.

I thought I was changing my ways!

I still read the odd ComiXology purchase when IDW's Transformers titles take their price drop... and then I rebuy those in trade because I like physical objects. :smt102

I'm seriously considering selling/ getting rid of a good portion of my comic boxes. They just take up so much room and everything's so inaccessible (especially since I have to store them in my mother-in-law's room). It's so much easier getting to my comics on a Kindle.

Or on the bookshelf. Trades look very nice on my shelf.


Yeah this year alone I've read 49 books and have not really looked back at comics. Though sad to say I still buy some comics on that off chance I will get interested again, but right now, comics feel dead to me.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:36 am

Chessack wrote:
I think the problem Cat is having is similar to my own. When I start reading a series, it's not because of a gimmick or an event. It's because I have tried the series out and found it good, or perhaps, because I generally like the character.

Great example: New 52 Supergirl. I have a long history with Supergirl, going back to her guest appearances in the early 1980s LSH. Supergirl, at least the original, is my favorite comic-book character of all time, period. So of course I am going to want to read her book. I also like her cousin, though not as much, and when I came back I sampled Action, but Morrison's writing makes me want to kill kittens, and Superman, but it was all over the place in terms of writing until Lobdell came on, and his writing makes me want to kill kittens AND puppies. So I dropped those.

But then right smack in the middle of the Supergirl series I get the "H'el on Earth" crossover. Now my problem with this crossover is that (1) it sucked by any objective measure, and (2) I could not "just ignore it" without ignoring Supergirl's series completely. And after the 4-issue crossover it wasn't over, because guess what, here we are on issue 23 (last month) and the fallout from that crossover (Supergirl's Kryptonite poisoning, etc) is still going on. How exactly am I supposed to ignore this? The only way is to stop reading Supergirl's comic altogether. That's not really a very attractive option when she's still my favorite character ever (well... the original is... not this new one so much).

This is the problem with Crossovers. Here are the options you have with a story that hop-scotches from title to title:

1. Buy just your series, and accept being completely lost and confused for as many as 6 months because you're not reading all the other parts.

2. Buy all the other parts, even though you don't read those other books, thus wasting lots of money ad reading material by creative teams you may not even like, about characters you don't care for enough to collect.

3. Don't buy your series at all, thus missing as many as 6 installments of your favorite series so you don't have to deal with the crossover at all.

I don't consider any of these to be attractive alternatives. Who wants to read only 1/3rd of a story? Who wants to have huge gaps in his or her collection? And who wants to spend money on a bunch of extra stuff for months at a time just because the comics companies are trying to force it on us?

This is why the Big Two tick me off. I heard great things about Captain Marvel for instance, and I toyed with getting it, but before I could even consider really pulling the trigger I saw that it is already doing the event crossover thing. So now I'm going to have to get Infinity and inform myself on the "event" just to follow the Captain Marvel stuff? Instead, I 'just said no.'


Supergirl was good prior to the steaming pile that was the H'El crossover. Only good thing that came out was her meet up with Power Girl and PG getting her neo-classic costume.

Heh, I was/am an SG fan since her Adventure Comics run.

Part of my problem with the crossover events is most likely also my age and having read comics for decades that had barely any major ones until the original crisis hit. Add to that my 80s independent love and manga enjoyment... I prefer the cleaner more focused story telling.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:41 am

bkthomson wrote:I have not read a comic in over a year and a half. Pretty sad when I was buying 225 comics a month. I think I have to blame my kindle as I'm finding better books to read than comics.

SuperginraiX wrote: :shock:

Wow.

I thought I was changing my ways!

I still read the odd ComiXology purchase when IDW's Transformers titles take their price drop... and then I rebuy those in trade because I like physical objects. :smt102

I'm seriously considering selling/ getting rid of a good portion of my comic boxes. They just take up so much room and everything's so inaccessible (especially since I have to store them in my mother-in-law's room). It's so much easier getting to my comics on a Kindle.

Or on the bookshelf. Trades look very nice on my shelf.


:shock: You are not getting them each month? Oh how that is sad to read...

I stopped with the physical due to storage space being gone and also, cost plus availability is not what it once was. Digital is sweet... just want a larger tablet and the publisher to smarten up more on format and what the word "BUY" means.


Also... :lol: Your mother-in-law seeing her room... "Wtf? Where my bed?"

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:42 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
It also shows how little happens in decompressed comix. :P


Yeah. I skip them more then not.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:43 am

UnionJack wrote:
Absolute classic. Must see if the trades of the web series are still available.

I'm with Cat & Chessack. Fed up with events & crossovers. They're usually damp squibs for one thing and always too intrusive on regular series. Not so bad if all the series involved happen to be on your regular pull-list anyway but they do inhibit the flow & development of books. If I'm buying a series I want to see stories developing that character & it's supporting cast.

I think event/crossovers should be self-contained limited series, no tie-ins. If it's considered important enough an event then get good creators on it with a story that's actually resolved, not a set-up for the next event.

But then, these things aren't about good stories - they're about sales.


This. So true. So sadly true.
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TimDrake'sDumbWings

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby TimDrake'sDumbWings » Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:01 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
It also shows how little happens in decompressed comix. :P


Yeah, I guess that's the root issue. It's funny how the summary pages started springing up right around the time Marvel began leaning in the decompressed direction.
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chap22

Rain Partier

Postby chap22 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:30 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
It also shows how little happens in decompressed comix. :P


in fairness though Jude, you coulda done the same thing back in the non-decompressed days.

"Last issue: the X-Men fought Moses Magnum, they beat him, Claremont spent a page on his Phoenix subplot, now this issue, they fight Magneto! Hoo-hah, Marvelites!"

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