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by **Timbales** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:57 pm

I disagree.

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:58 pm

Chris wrote:You don't think it's disrespectful to pretty much completely retcon a writers run out a month after he's out the door? After previously praising the run and saying how great it was?

Come on..

It's a little different with Bruce. Grant wrote that knowing what the outcome would be. It was clear that he wrote New X-men setting up a new status quo.. he left alot of plot threads and ideas out there for other writers to follow. Whedon managed to get in there before the hammer dropped, but it's not the same scenario at all as with Batman.

Not at all. He doesn't own the X-Men. Joe Q may have actually liked the run, but he had different ideas for the franchise.

Bruce Jones' Hulk was immediately discarded.
JMS' Spidey was mostly retconned.

It happens.

by **Chris** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:59 pm

Frag It wrote:JMS' Spidey was mostly retconned.

Yeah.. and that was a point of contention between JMS and Marvel, IIRC!

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:01 pm

Chris wrote:Yeah.. and that was a point of contention between JMS and Marvel, IIRC!

It was.

He should STFU too.

by **mrorangesoda** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:01 pm

Frag It wrote:I'm just curious, what about Whedon's run was similar to Morrison's? To me, they were completely different.

Whedon did a lot to jump off from Morrison's run, in comparison to other runs that ignored it. But tonally, I agree with you they're very different.

Frag It wrote:JMS' Spidey was mostly retconned.

I don't know if anyone's clear on whose Spidey runs have been retconned...

by **Chris** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:04 pm

mrorangesoda wrote:Whedon did a lot to jump off from Morrison's run, in comparison to other runs that ignored it. But tonally, I agree with you they're very different.

Tonally, I agree. They told very different type of stories with their runs. But Whedon did use several of Morrison's ideas and ran with them, such as Cassandra Nova, Emma Frost, Genosha, Beast's de-evolution, Scott being more confident and becoming the leader he needs to be, etc.

by **fieldy snuts** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:45 pm

Frag It wrote:JMS' Spidey was mostly retconned.

To be fair JMS himself was cool with retconning everything from the point of Gwen Stacy's death right up to the marriage dissolution. It was Quesada's limiting the scope of the retcon that irked JMS.

A funny fact that most people that blame joey for OMD overlook

by **Victorian Squid** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:51 pm

Yeah, I pretty much would sign off at the bottom of that.

by **Rockman** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:43 am

Not a huge fan of Morrison or his X-men run. Some small things i hate such as cat-beat, and other things I hate such as his treatment of Magneto.

by **john lewis hawk** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:51 am

I agree and disagree with it. Morrison had some good ideas and changes but the run was screwed up on a bunch of minor things and some changes were crap.

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:03 am

Morrison's run was good, and followed AWFULLY by Chuck Austin, but the res tof the runs since haven't been too bad. Carey's has been good, Miligan's was good, Brubaker's was decent, and Fraction's is awesome. New Mutants/New X-Men/X-Force has been great. And X-Factor has been kicking all kinds of ass. So yeah, fuck this guy, I'll take the X-Universe now over Morrison's time.

by **TimDrake'sDumbWings** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:53 am

X-Force is the only X-book I've been able to read after Morrison's run on New X-Men. It continues the thread of the now-confident-Cyclops-who-does-the-things-that-need-doing that I loved so much about Morrison's run. Also, bloody fucking carnage!

by **Chris** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:56 am

Jude Terror wrote:Morrison's run was good, and followed AWFULLY by Chuck Austin, but the res tof the runs since haven't been too bad. Carey's has been good, Miligan's was good, Brubaker's was decent, and Fraction's is awesome. New Mutants/New X-Men/X-Force has been great. And X-Factor has been kicking all kinds of ass. So yeah, fuck this guy, I'll take the X-Universe now over Morrison's time.

Austen's run sucked.

Carey's initial run with Bachalo was good. Legacy is only just decent right now.

Milligan's run was on Austen-levels of horribleness.

Brubaker's was decent.

Fraction's is decent.

X-Force is alright.

X-Factor is awesome.

The thing is.. Morrison's book was the ONLY good X-book of it's time. It was out at the same time Chuck Austen was doing Uncanny, which sucked balls.

The only other good X-book I remember off the top of my head that was out during that era was X-Statix.

by **john lewis hawk** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:02 am

Chris wrote:Austen's run sucked.

Carey's initial run with Bachalo was great. Legacy is only just good right now.

Milligan's run was on Austen-levels of horribleness.

Brubaker's was decent.

Fraction's is slightly better than decent.

X-Force is awesome.

X-Factor is alright.

Fixed for truth.