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[doombug]

But they do get it. They've shown that by making Superman darker and admitting Green lantern was focussed too much on space.

Do you know where Wonder Woman and Doom Patrol is? On the scrap heap because they were shitty ideas.

70 PERCENT OF THAT MOVIE TAKES PLACE ON EARTH!!!

If you've seen a cut of the movie that we all haven't then please god share it with us, because actually placing the movie more in space like the original script that leaked would have been so much better.

[Jubilee]

Can we stop talking about stuff like Jonah Hex and Punisher. Those films had a meagre budget. They were never going to be amazing.

Also Superman Returns was dark?

I said ever since GL come out that it would fail. I knew right away. Because I knew that that type of film would not resonate with a larger community. Everyone with a brain could see Avengers would do well. Films have to be grounded in reality. That's why Iron Man, Batman and X-men have been the best films. They all took away some of the more fantastical parts of the character, and made them grounded. Did the X-men wear yellow spandex? Did they showcase any of the more ridiculous mutants?

GL was destined to fail. Not because it was "crap" or because it was marketed poorly but because it is a certain type of movie that very rarely resonates with the general public. Same with John Carter. Same with Prometheus. And hell when you've got one of the higher ups in the biggest movie studio in the world agreeing with me, then y'know maybe I'm not far wrong.

Avengers doesn't disprove anything. It was the first of it's nature. A film they spent five films building towards.

There are exceptions to every trend, but there's not many exceptions to the trend that "most films dealing primarily with aliens in the last five years have flopped" and I'd amend that to include "especially if this was not based on an existing movie franchise".

Remember when Green Lantern was coming out and I had this same argument with you all? Nieto claimed there would be people growing up on these comics that couldn't wait to see it. Jack Burton said "There is no way this will flop". I just have a perspective of your everyday 18-30 male I think some of you lack.

[Jubilee]

70 PERCENT OF THAT MOVIE TAKES PLACE ON EARTH!!!

If you've seen a cut of the movie that we all haven't then please god share it with us, because actually placing the movie more in space like the original script that leaked would have been so much better.

Most comic book fans could not wait for the Green Lantern movie, which did alright on it's opening weekend, but quickly fizzled out shortly afterward at the domestic box office. The film, according to Box Office Mojo, garnered only $114 million domestic (only $40 million foreign, based on numbers as of July 31st) and cost a projected $200 million to produce.


Needless to say, the film did not bode well for Warner Brothers who has yet to see a profit for the Green Lantern movie. Most movie companies would can a project that cost so much to make and saw so little in return; but apparently not Warner Brothers. The film studio still sees Green Lantern as a property that, with the right vision, could be huge.

The WB is looking ahead to the sequel to the Green Lantern movie, according to the Warner Brothers film group President Jeff Robinov -- only next time, the movie needs to be "darker" and "edgier."

“We had a decent opening so we learned there is an audience,” said Warner Bros. film group President Jeff Robinov, pointing to the film’s box office debut of $53 million. “To go forward we need to make it a little edgier and darker with more emphasis on action…. And we have to find a way to balance the time the movie spends in space versus on Earth.”

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Listen, when a man like that speaks. One of the most important men in Hollywood you have to listen.

[Jubilee]

That right there is the top 16 flops of the last decade. I guess it's a major coincidence in all your eyes that over half of these films are space based and sci-fi is the major genre in the list?

[dairydead]

That right there is the top 16 flops of the last decade. I guess it's a major coincidence in all your eyes that over half of these films are space based and sci-fi is the major genre in the list?

As said earlier, space-based movies are more expensive on average.

[sdsichero]

Not of this decade but many of them are from this decade... the top 16 box office gross...

1 Avatar
2 Titanic
3 Marvel's The Avengers
4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2
5 Transformers: Dark of the Moon
6 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
7 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
8 Toy Story 3
9 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides
10 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
11 Alice in Wonderland (2010)
12 The Dark Knight
13 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
14 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
15 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1
16 The Lion King

[dairydead]

Not of this decade but many of them are from this decade... the top 16 box office gross...

1 Avatar
2 Titanic
3 Marvel's The Avengers
4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2
5 Transformers: Dark of the Moon
6 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
7 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
8 Toy Story 3
9 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides
10 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
11 Alice in Wonderland (2010)
12 The Dark Knight
13 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
14 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
15 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1
16 The Lion King

literally one of those could be considered "grim and gritty" ( TDK)

[Jubilee]

Listen when I say "grim and gritty" I don't literally mean going full on TDK territory. That G&G thing is not what I mean. I just mean it has to be more relateable. Based somewhat on reality. Films like Hulk and Green Lantern are always going to struggle.

[Punchy]

Why in the hell would a movie about a guy who wields a ring that makes LIGHT constructs and his codename comes from the name of an object that makes LIGHT need to be dark?

Ask Geoff Johns, his incredibly successful run on GL is dark as hell, Black Lanterns, Red Lanterns, all of it is grim.

[Chris]

Ask Geoff Johns, his incredibly successful run on GL is dark as hell, Black Lanterns, Red Lanterns, all of it is grim.

And honestly, it has gotten pretty tedious as a result.

The Sinestro Corps War was it's peak.

[Punchy]

And honestly, it has gotten pretty tedious as a result.

The Sinestro Corps War was it's peak.

But it still sells and is what turned Green Lantern into the 3rd biggest character franchise at DC.

[Doc Jon]

Listen when I say "grim and gritty" I don't literally mean going full on TDK territory. That G&G thing is not what I mean. I just mean it has to be more relateable. Based somewhat on reality. Films like Hulk and Green Lantern are always going to struggle.

The HUlk is one of the most relatable characters in comics.

I just kind of get the feeling that you have your arguments twisted.

Is it grim and gritty? When it suits you.
Is it just space movies? When it suits you.
Is it bright superheroes? When it suits you.

There are franchises that are difficult to pull off. THat's pretty much it.

Prometheus was dark as hell (at least from the previews), but I guess in that case, it was space.

Transformers DotM was heavily based on space, from the moon landing, to bringing Cybertron to Earth and so on, but it made money.

The Avengers was bright as hell, had invading aliens from another dimension, a space god, a space tyrant and so on, but it's number 3 on the all time grossing films list.

And wasn't it your contention (admittedly in jest) that GL would kill superhero films? How's that going?

[Rockman]

The first Hulk was on track to be a huge hit before word of mouth got out that it was not a good movie. Seriously like an 80% drop off after the first week.

It's due to that awful film that the second movie didn't make as much bank.

[syxxpakk]

I like how of the top 16 box-office movies, only one is a movie with no fantastical elements.

[syxxpakk]

And it seems safe to say third Hulk movie, following the Avengers, would do great business.