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Just admit it.

Postby Lord Simian » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:06 pm

I was just discussing this with a friend of mine.... and I think it's time we all admit it.

Frank Castle, The Punisher, may be bad ass, and may be hardcore.... but let's face it.

He's also possibly the most successful (in terms of sheer number of bodies) SERIAL KILLER in American History. :D
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Postby Keb » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:28 pm

Yah no shit. That's why everyone loves him. He's the hard-cock of all anti-heroes.
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Postby Lord Simian » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:33 pm

He's that Showtime TV character, Dexter.

He's a serial murderer, and a villain. But, cause the people he kills are only criminals, he gets a pass.

That's why I never liked him that much, except for Garth Ennis' stuff. :)
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Postby Mr. Batman » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:34 pm

He's a here with his own method of dealing with things

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Postby KillerShrike » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:45 pm

I remember someone (maybe Ennis, maybe Mike Baron) making the same point in an interview. It sounds right to me, and that's why I prefer him as a "villain" in other characters' titles then off on his own.

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Postby Starlord » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:49 pm

I think your right, but I still say he's a closet case.
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Postby Cernunnos » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:49 pm

Lord Simian wrote:He's that Showtime TV character, Dexter.

He's a serial murderer, and a villain. But, cause the people he kills are only criminals, he gets a pass.

That's why I never liked him that much, except for Garth Ennis' stuff. :)

Ben Kingsley's character from Suspect Zero was like that, too.

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Postby john lewis hawk » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:00 pm

Yep. One thing is I always had a problem with him mixing with other heroes. I have no problem if he's the "villain" but he's also, in his own little way, doing some good so I think of him as being a neccessary evil and it seems as if writers don't grasp that.

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Postby Lord Simian » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:12 pm

Mr. Batman wrote:He's a here with his own method of dealing with things


He's a MAN with his own method.

And that method is SERIAL KILLING. :)
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Postby Zenguru » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:28 pm

I thought you were gonna say he was gay.

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Postby john lewis hawk » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:33 pm

Zenguru wrote:I thought you were gonna say he was gay.
Why? Did you pump his twelve-gauge once?

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Postby Zenguru » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:41 pm

john lewis wrote:Why? Did you pump his twelve-gauge once?
No, but you palmed his glock.

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Postby nietoperz » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:09 am

That's kind of why I've always hated the character. Murder is never something to be celebrated.
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Postby john lewis hawk » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:37 am

nietoperz wrote:That's kind of why I've always hated the character. Murder is never something to be celebrated.
Depends though. One, he only kills those who probably already have killed and aren't innocent and, secondly, one can make the claim he's killing so someone else, who may be less experienced, more insane, or have other problems, isn't.

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Postby Zero » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:44 am

I like any book that doesn't glamourise him, and Ennis' MAX run has far from done that. Frank knows he's a broken hollow man with nothing left in him but hate, and we've had around 60 issues of him coming to turns with that and pointing his inhumanity at those who he thinks deserve it. It's fun in the same way as Se7en or Alien 3, in that it's joyless and bleak.

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