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Justice League tropes that need to end in modern era

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BubbaKanoosh

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Postby BubbaKanoosh » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:43 pm

Johns JL sucks... mostly because he has made all these characters unlikable.
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Draco x

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Postby Draco x » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:50 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
The problem is that they want it both ways -- and DC's the leading proponent of that realism for everyone but the heroes, especially the Justice League.

Just this month, you get a Catwoman who gets the Ted Kord Special. You had Sue Dibny getting raped on the Watchtower (in a previous timeline.)

OK. Great.

DC, mainly DiDio, is on the record as saying that the "Bwah-ha-ha League" is...not what comics should be. And that if Superman walks into a bar, people wouldn't buy him drinks. They'd get the hell out of the bar because it might get blown up at any second.

Now, if they want to do that, that's fine. You have created an era where Black Adam commits genocide and Bludhaven is reduced to a radioactive wasteland. Again, you can do that.

But DC shouldn't have their cake and eat it, too, giving us incompetence in the name of "cute naivete," giving us a Billy Batson "more in line with the modern teenager because nobody is a good person all the way through" and giving us a Justice League where Batman has contingency plans against every single hero but never seems to have a freaking clue about what the supervillains are up to.


Agreed. I would also add that the whole dark and gritty era of DC characters was already done by Alan Moore, Denny O Neill, Roger Stern, Frank Miller and so forth-the difference is that these guys knew how to make the approach interesting.
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chap22

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Postby chap22 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:56 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
I hear you -- what would they even adapt from the comics, if they tried?

Even though the X-Men movies have been awful (IMO), at least the stuff they've been adapting from have been good-to-great comics.

Same with Marvel.

But like you, I have absolutely no faith in a Justice League movie. I just...there's just no reason to believe it would be good. You can barely find source material that's consistently good.

If you treated them as what they are, namely 3 of the most popular and widely-known characters in all of fiction, 3 other guys who most of the world is at least familiar with thans to the Super Friends, and a Martian, and just open cod with them already as a team, you could tell damn near any story you want. Do Morrison's white Martians arc (or Timm/Dini's JLAU white Martians story). Hell, do Rock of Ages if you want. Just assume your audience knows the heroes and go nuts.

Bt no, you know they'll have to do an "origin" story and introduce everybody, good and bad, and probably include Darkseid b/c that's what Johns just did, even though that character by himself is dull without the rest ofte surrounding mythology.
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alaska1125

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Postby alaska1125 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:28 pm

I can't in any way, shape, or form, imagine a workable Justice League movie at this point. DC/WB is way behind the curve. And as pointed out, what storyline do they go with? The rumored New Gods/Earth 2 adaptation...Well, frankly, that freaks me out. I'm crossing my fingers for Man Of Steel though.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:08 pm

This really needs to be on the front page.
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Draco x

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Postby Draco x » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:15 pm

It's such a shame that Dwayne McDuffie passes away awhile back as I am sure he would have been able to written a good JL movie for the big screen.
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syxxpakk

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Postby syxxpakk » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:39 pm

Eh I like it. I preferred the big six plus Cyborg. I could do without Firestorm et al but it's not enough to make me hate the book.
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holtom2000

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Postby holtom2000 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:57 pm

syxxpakk wrote:Eh I like it. I preferred the big six plus Cyborg. I could do without Firestorm et al but it's not enough to make me hate the book.

Compared to Morrison this is crap and cyborg belongs on the titans.
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syxxpakk

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Postby syxxpakk » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:16 pm

holtom2000 wrote:Compared to Morrison this is crap and cyborg belongs on the titans.


I liked Morrison's run a lot but I wouldn't say it's crap in comparison. Claremont's run was crap in comparison, to both Morrison's and this.
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holtom2000

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Postby holtom2000 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:04 pm

Morrison's was a critical and commercial success. This might be a commercial success. But it's no critical success.
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syxxpakk

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Postby syxxpakk » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:24 pm

OK. I still wouldn't call it crap comparatively.
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chap22

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Postby chap22 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:11 am

It's crap.
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nietoperz

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Postby nietoperz » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:18 am

chap22 wrote:It's crap.


Beyond crap.
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Tintin Quarantino

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Postby Tintin Quarantino » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:31 am

Dude I work with is pretty much in the dark when it comes to long-term continuity, but he likes the new Justice League as well. He likes the intro-level beginning and the artwork, and I didn't want to discourage him by saying I found that stuff to be unreadable.
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holtom2000

dINGO

Postby holtom2000 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:09 pm

That's the short term gain dc got for the long term pain by losing long term fans. I mean I wouldn't read the new crap for free.

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