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StarCruncher

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Postby StarCruncher » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:50 pm

The Nacireman wrote:The art look way more cartoonish than what I've expected from Ordway. Kinda sad.
It is kind of sad to see how some artists can't keep their signature style as they get older. The thing is, they should change their style instead of trying to imitate it.

For instance, look at Carmine Infantino's work in the 60's & 70's (Batman, Batgirl) compared to his work in the 80's (Spider-Woman, Flash, Supergirl). He couldn't keep the same level of detail, so he went more and more abstract and angular. I, for one, love his latter work, but at least he wasn't doing a pale imitation of his earlier style, but instead offering something distinctly different.
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chap22

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Postby chap22 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:20 pm

Kid Impulse wrote:Dude, I usually agree with you on mostly everything, but you are quite wrong here.

ditto. i for one think Jerry's still bringing it strong.
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chap22

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Postby chap22 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:21 pm

cncoyle wrote:I hear ya. I felt Ordway's artwork was really week in Infinite Crisis. And both his writing and his artwork on that Wonder Woman story (where she cut her hair--OHNOES) was downright horrible, IMO.


ummm, Walt Simonson wrote that. proving once again that he TOTALLY lost it after Thor.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:59 pm

cncoyle wrote:It is kind of sad to see how some artists can't keep their signature style as they get older. The thing is, they should change their style instead of trying to imitate it.

For instance, look at Carmine Infantino's work in the 60's & 70's (Batman, Batgirl) compared to his work in the 80's (Spider-Woman, Flash, Supergirl). He couldn't keep the same level of detail, so he went more and more abstract and angular. I, for one, love his latter work, but at least he wasn't doing a pale imitation of his earlier style, but instead offering something distinctly different.


I never really liked Infantino's 80's stuff. I thought his faces looked a little too chubby.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:07 am

chap22 wrote:ditto. i for one think Jerry's still bringing it strong.


I'd have to respectfully disagree, councellor. The detailing fails to measure up to the glory days of The All-Star Squadron. Heck, even his inking in the early issues was something to behold. Ever see the first issue of All-SS with the Hawkman splash page. Ordway's inks oner Buckler's pencils was had me awestruck as a kid. The Hawkman in JSoA #23 pales in comparison to that.
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chap22

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Postby chap22 » Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:09 am

The Nacireman wrote:I'd have to respectfully disagree, councellor. The detailing fails to measure up to the glory days of The All-Star Squadron. Heck, even his inking in the early issues was something to behold. Ever see the first issue of All-SS with the Hawkman splash page. Ordway's inks oner Buckler's pencils was had me awestruck as a kid. The Hawkman in JSoA #23 pales in comparison to that.

i didn't say he was bringing it AS strong; just that he was still bringing it. i'd still rather see him on these characters than just about anybody else.
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StarCruncher

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Postby StarCruncher » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:44 am

chap22 wrote:ummm, Walt Simonson wrote that. proving once again that he TOTALLY lost it after Thor.
Ach, you're right. On both counts.

That story was such crap. The art was sub-standard, imo, but that story was just.... crap.
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KillerShrike

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Postby KillerShrike » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:00 am

chap22 wrote:ummm, Walt Simonson wrote that. proving once again that he TOTALLY lost it after Thor.



His runs on Orion and FF contradict this statement.
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StarCruncher

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Postby StarCruncher » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:21 am

KillerShrike wrote:His runs on Orion and FF contradict this statement.
I never did read his Orion work--is it out in trade? Isn't that the series where Orion kills Darkseid and takes his place on Apokolips?
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Jack Burton

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Postby Jack Burton » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:29 am

KillerShrike wrote:His runs on Orion and FF contradict this statement.


Never read Orion but yeah his FF contradicts it. Funny at 10 I really didn't like his art or style but as I got older I realized how good he was.
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chap22

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Postby chap22 » Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:58 pm

KillerShrike wrote:His runs on Orion and FF contradict this statement.
meh. the only good thing about his FF was the Doom stuff from 350-352. Justice Peace? awful. the Acts of Vegeance tie-ins? merely mediocre. the whole run was average writing at best with typical great art.

and Orion sucks. in pretty much anything.
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KillerShrike

cheese

Postby KillerShrike » Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:08 pm

cncoyle wrote:I never did read his Orion work--is it out in trade? Isn't that the series where Orion kills Darkseid and takes his place on Apokolips?



The first few issues are. I don't think the whole run is though. And yes, its the story where Orion becomes ruler of Apokolips.
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KillerShrike

cheese

Postby KillerShrike » Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:12 pm

chap22 wrote:meh. the only good thing about his FF was the Doom stuff from 350-352.



And the TVA stuff. And the Dreaming Celestial. And the island of dinosaurs. And the Art Adams issues.
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chap22

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Postby chap22 » Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:18 pm

KillerShrike wrote:And the TVA stuff. And the Dreaming Celestial. And the island of dinosaurs. And the Art Adams issues.

the TVA stuff was what i was talking about with Justice Peace. i HATED that crap. Dreaming Celestial was no better. island of dinos was mediocre.

but i'll give you the Art "new FF" issues were all kinds of stupid fun. :-D
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Jack Burton

biny little tird

Postby Jack Burton » Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:30 pm

FF #352 with the timejumps page to page is one of my favorite single issues ever. It also showed how Reed can and will Dooms ass solo when the call arrives.

The Art Adams "New FF" is just so much damn fun. I love the story about it. Simonson spoke about doing an FF project with Adams and ask Adams what he wanted to draw. Adams was like either Skrulls or the Mole Man. So we get both. That comic was awesome with it's madness.

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