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[The Bass]

Hey, Dude, I wish we sold "just" comics - but Ireland is a small place.

[Fintan]

Hey, Dude, I wish we sold "just" comics - but Ireland is a small place.

Which comic shop in ireland are you? Forbidden Planet on the quays?

[Derm]

Which comic shop in ireland are you? Forbidden Planet on the quays?

I'm struggling to think of anywhere else it could be.
There was a place on Exchequer St but I'm not sure if it's still open.
Sub City, I think.

[Fintan]

Also regarding the original topic there are other examples that Kirkman doesn't mind where people do their independent books. I have a vague recollection that he put a Criminal preview in the back of a Walking Dead.

[MrBlack]

Not this shit again.

Can we just ban this idiot?

He's done nothing strictly banworthy in this thread. Having an opinion, even an ill held one, is no a bannable offense.

I would advise the Bass to knock off the personal attacks on Kirkman. It's completely uncalled for.

[Strict31]

Silver Snail. It's one of the shops that I know that tend to sometimes bag trades.

You think it's great? You should have seen it in the 80s before all the damn toys...

I like all the toys at Silver Snail, to be honest. I haven't been back to Toronto in a while now, but every time I'd go, I would come back with a bunch of figures or replicas I simply couldn't find locally, or reliably purchase for cheap on the Internets.

[The Bass]

He's done nothing strictly banworthy in this thread. Having an opinion, even an ill held one, is no a bannable offense.

I would advise the Bass to knock off the personal attacks on Kirkman. It's completely uncalled for.

And I will, when the Bendis threads are better monitored and moderated, and open discussion in them is valued, and not shouted down by the minority.

[Chris]

And I will, when the Bendis threads are better monitored and moderated, and open discussion in them is valued, and not shouted down by the minority.

I don't recall anyone resorting to the type of "discussion" about Bendis as you've demonstrated against Kirkman.

There's a difference between not liking someone's work, and letting it be known as posters like LobsterJ have shown with Bendis in the past, and going on some crusade calling Kirkman fat, greasy, a slob, and whatever else you call him in every other post and anytime his name is ever mentioned.

[MrBlack]

And I will, when the Bendis threads are better monitored and moderated, and open discussion in them is valued, and not shouted down by the minority.

Open discussion is valued, and is frequently demonstrated in threads regarding Bendis, Johns, and other creators. People are, however, free to disagree on this forum, and if someone doesn't like a creator he or she is free to express that opinion. You, for example, do not like Kirkman, and holding such an opinion is not a basis for moderation.

The problem is that you have repeatedly referred to Kirkman as a "fat fuck." We've been less strict about insults against public figures, but the amount of vitriol you are flinging at him is uncalled for, and I am asking you to stop. You are certainly free to continue this debate over the merits of Kirkman's comments about Loeb, just knock off the personal attacks.

[doombug]

Really Bass your going to play the Bendis thread card?

obviously you haven't read a Bendis thread as there is no signs of what you do in these threads.

The personal attacks against a creator aren't called for.

[Rockman]

They should work in a movie store then.

I'd rather have a guy like fourthy @ my shop than the guy from Clerks.

One guy is the owner and the other guy has been their for years. They never turn down a conversation about comics but I know they do not read them. Plus they are both supernice and give me great discounts so I think I would like to keep them where they are at.

On a side note I hate going into a video game store and having the clerk at the counter rip into my purchase, they think because they play video games that I should care what they think, it is for this reason that I do not mind them not knowing too much about comic book storylines.

[Jubilee]

I will say this, it amazes me that people can read stuff like Invincible and creator owned comics, enjoy them much more, even if they aren't written better because STUFF ACTUALLY HAPPENS, and then turna round and wish the same characters were always written the same at Marvel.

Kirkman at Marvel was unbelivably average. Ultimate X-men. Marvel Team Up. Whatever else he wrote there which was forgettable, then you have stuff like Marvel Zombies and Ant-man which people liked, and there is no continuity.

Same with Brubaker, his run with Bucky as Cap was loved, when he was allowed to make big sweeping changes, Bendis was given free reign on Ultimate Spider-man and Alias and it was critically acclaimed stuff. Same with every other writer who gets built up, only to get popular, be told they can't change to much and people turn against them.

[MrBlack]

I will say this, it amazes me that people can read stuff like Invincible and creator owned comics, enjoy them much more, even if they aren't written better because STUFF ACTUALLY HAPPENS, and then turna round and wish the same characters were always written the same at Marvel.

Kirkman at Marvel was unbelivably average. Ultimate X-men. Marvel Team Up. Whatever else he wrote there which was forgettable, then you have stuff like Marvel Zombies and Ant-man which people liked, and there is no continuity.

Same with Brubaker, his run with Bucky as Cap was loved, when he was allowed to make big sweeping changes, Bendis was given free reign on Ultimate Spider-man and Alias and it was critically acclaimed stuff. Same with every other writer who gets built up, only to get popular, be told they can't change to much and people turn against them.

I really enjoy reading long term, serial stories like Invincible, Fables, etc. I don't expect such series to end any time in the foreseeable future, if ever, but I still enjoy reading the continuing stories of such characters. At the same time, I also enjoy reading finite series such as Ex Machina, because you end up having a completed story and there's a nice sense of finality to events. Just because I like reading one doesn't mean I don't like reading the other.

It's the same for evolving stories versus "stagnant" ones. I think there's space for both in the comics world.

[Rockman]

I will say this, it amazes me that people can read stuff like Invincible and creator owned comics, enjoy them much more, even if they aren't written better because STUFF ACTUALLY HAPPENS, and then turna round and wish the same characters were always written the same at Marvel.

Kirkman at Marvel was unbelivably average. Ultimate X-men. Marvel Team Up. Whatever else he wrote there which was forgettable, then you have stuff like Marvel Zombies and Ant-man which people liked, and there is no continuity.

Same with Brubaker, his run with Bucky as Cap was loved, when he was allowed to make big sweeping changes, Bendis was given free reign on Ultimate Spider-man and Alias and it was critically acclaimed stuff. Same with every other writer who gets built up, only to get popular, be told they can't change to much and people turn against them.

The status quo is the worst thing that happened to comics. I do not want to see Spider-man turn into a murdering psychopath, but I do want to see him turn into a responsible adult who uses his head to get out of problems as opposed to his fists. Someone decided that all of this stuff was bad and retconned it so that Spidey was an unemployed jerkwad mooching off his aunt, who is currently mooching of his roommate.

[MrBlack]

Part of it is a safety issue too. People want to be able to walk into a comic shop and read about the adventures of Bruce Wayne, the vengeful orphan who prowls the streets of Gotham as the Batman.

I would like to see more things like the Ultimate line, which would allow creators to actually evolve these characters, but I do think there is room for both.