Troy wrote:LITG has been very lame and tame lately, what happend to the real juicy gossip or even interesting tidbits for that matter.
this is pretty f-ing juicy, man! All about Alan Moore and Liefeld!
[Green Light]Totally managed to miss a Comicon thread a couple of months ago, in which Erik Larsen, Steve Bissette and Rick Vietch dissect Rob Liefeld, Alan Moore and Supreme.
How could I have missed it?
A few highlights...
Rick Veitch: "Alan had two more issues planned (and maybe one written) of the second year which Checker published unfinished as "The Return". From there Alan had planned a third year where SUPREME travels into the Supremium meteor that gave him his powers."
Comiconposter ‘steel A Long Departed Hero’: "Moore had plots for a New Gods riff and a battle between the Supremacy and Daxia. Would have been cool, but oh, well. We got some good stuff from the guy."
Rick Veitch: "But we creators had been promised a royalty deal on the collections. Whatever Liefeld's deal was with Checker, we were cut out. I was in touch with Checker after they picked up the rights and offered to talk with Alan about finishing the second book. They instead chose to rush into print with an unfinished story and horrible reproduction.
"Instead of paying industry standard royalties to creators, Checker chose to use the substantial profits of the two Supreme collections to build their imprint.
"the best way to get the SUPREME stuff is seek out the original issues in the quarter bins. Repro is great and you could probably put together a complete set for less than a Checker trade. Don't worry about Alan and I-- we'll be fine. We did the material because we loved it and want people to enjoy it even if Liefeld's a dick."
Erik Larsen: "The way it was explained to me Alan Moore was willing to edit and assist and possibly co-plot the "third season" of Supreme but he wanted Steve Moore (no relation) to write it.
"That was what readers missed out on.
"Steve Moore wrote some of the ABC stuff over at Wildstorm. I don't recall it making a huge splash….
"The reason Rob stopped publishing Supreme was because it wasn't making money. That, and Alan's proposal of having others write it meant that sales weren't likely to go up. It could very well be that Rob was in the hole on Supreme and that the Checker money helped pay off some of that debt. That doesn't excuse him from not telling people what's going on--but it's a possible scenario."
Rick: "The reason Rob stopped publishing SUPREME was his whole company went down the shitter. I believe the book was selling around 40,000 at the time and the creators were keeping to the schedule. Alan was so happy doing the work (even putting up with chronic late payment) that he created the ABC line around the Supreme creative team as soon as Awesome collapsed.
"Where'd you hear that bit about handing Supreme off to others? I was involved with Alan's plotting of the third year arc and I never heard that from him. Like I said above: he loved SUPREME.
"I'd love to know what Rob got from Checker for the tpb rights. Once I figured out a deal was going on, I was in touch with the Checker guys, hoping to finish the second book and make sure the creators got a fair piece. But they chose to go for the low quality and quick buck. They didn't even scan from the printed comics, but instead worked with some bad jpegs Rob gave them. Profits from the SUPREME collections essentially built Checker."
Erik: "From Rob--he did the accent and everything--it was pretty fun to listen to. I'm not sure when that would have been exactly.
"Well, like you said--Rob's company did go away--it may have been by the time Alan was working on the ABC stuff. If that was the case it could have been one of those too-much-time-has-gone-by-and-I-no-longer-have-the-same-enthusiasm-for-the-project cases. Same thing happened in a sense--to 1963. I called Alan about that at one point after he and Steve Bissette had a falling out and its time had passed--Alan didn't want to have anything to do with it."
Rick: "Well, there y'go.
"You've worked with Rob long enough to know that he runs his business like Alice In Wonderland, right?
"The 1963 situation is completely different from SUPREME and shouldn't be spun to defend Rob.
"Do you still share an office with Eric Stephenson? He was editor of SUPREME and could probably enlighten us all to how events went down."
No further comments for a couple of months sadly...
In a related turn of events, Steve Bissette: added "on a related topic, be sure to check out the chapters on Marvelman/Miracleman and Medieval Spawn & Angela in the upcoming "PRINCE OF STORIES: THE MANY WORLDS OF NEIL GAIMAN" (November from St. Martin's Press) for the most comprehensive and current coverage I could muster on both situations."
Yeah. I'll be down for that.