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by **ReturnoftheMack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:44 pm

Rockman wrote:
how much did the new moon knight sell?

Issue #3 was at 34,000, #50 on the Top 100.

by **Rockman** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:46 pm

The President wrote:
Issue #3 was at 34,000, #50 on the Top 100.

I would expect more from that creative team.

The book itself wasn't horrible, it wasn't great either thoguh.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:48 pm

The President wrote:
How so?

If you are going to launch a big character, do it with your big talent.

Bendis should be launching a new Ghost Rider series.

Look at the momentum he got by having Kevin Smith launch Daredevil.

Then who writes the big books?

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:49 pm

lol wrote:
Then who writes the big books?

The big books mostly sell themselves and are driven by editorial mandates. You don't really need top talent to write them.

by **Rockman** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:53 pm

get Gage to write Avengers

Get Van Lente on Spider-man

Stick Slott on Spider-woman or gravity or something.

by **GLX** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:54 pm

e_galston wrote:
why publish books that don't sell, when you can publish a book that will?

Legion of Monsters, a comic you've praised in the past, placed lower than Ghost Rider and Alpha Flight:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=35337

The main goal, for any publisher worth a damn, is to publish solid material.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:57 pm

The President wrote:
The big books mostly sell themselves and are driven by editorial mandates. You don't really need top talent to write them.

Then why before Bendis was the Avengers lower? Why did Batman and Superman slip down the charts after Loeb? Why did Hulk not sell before Loeb?

by **Rockman** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:59 pm

Talent sells books for sure

But talent has to start somewhere.

Gage has paid his dues, he's made consistently good books for a while now and he deserves exposure.

Slott on the other hand has made consistently bad books and should be put off into some corner where only the people who enjoy that sort of thing can read his stuff.

by **sdsichero** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:05 pm

Rockman wrote:Talent sells books for sure

But talent has to start somewhere.

Gage has paid his dues, he's made consistently good books for a while now and he deserves exposure.

Slott on the other hand has made consistently bad books and should be put off into some corner where only the people who enjoy that sort of thing can read his stuff.

Gage is good.

You however, have consistently bad taste and should be put off into some corner where only people with bad taste can talk to each other.

by **Punchy** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:06 pm

I don't like how people are twisting Marvel cancelling books that just happen to star women into the company being sexist. If Ghost Rider was selling well, they wouldn't have cancelled it.

Marvel and DC are in the business of making money, so if a book with a female character doesn't sell, they aren't going to keep it around to please bloggers with an agenda. Really, if anyone should be to blame for sexism in comics, it's the fans, because they are the ones who don't buy these 'female-headlined' books. The comic book audience's own conservatism is what's holding the medium back, not the companies.

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:06 pm

lol wrote:
Then why before Bendis was the Avengers lower? Why did Batman and Superman slip down the charts after Loeb? Why did Hulk not sell before Loeb?

Because the Avengers sucked. Then they started being driven by events and added all the biggest characters in the MU.

Are you talking about Superman/Batman? I have no idea.

Do you remember Planet Hulk? That was a Top 10 book. It led into World War Hulk. Hulk's numbers are down from that time.

by **Rockman** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:08 pm

sdsichero wrote:
Gage is good.

You however, have consistently bad taste and should be put off into some corner where only people with bad taste can talk to each other.

prove it

by **Jubilee** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:09 pm

The President wrote:
Because the Avengers sucked. Then they started being driven by events and added all the biggest characters in the MU.

Are you talking about Superman/Batman? I have no idea.

Do you remember Planet Hulk? That was a Top 10 book. It led into World War Hulk. Hulk's numbers are down from that time.

Fact is without superstar writers books do fall down the charts.

Remember Mcduffie on FF? Or JLA or Teen Titans?

by **Rockman** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:12 pm

lol wrote:
Fact is without superstar writers books do fall down the charts.

Remember Mcduffie on FF? Or JLA or Teen Titans?

McDuffie's FF was terrible

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:14 pm

lol wrote:
Fact is without superstar writers books do fall down the charts.

Remember Mcduffie on FF? Or JLA or Teen Titans?

Greg Pak isn't really a superstar.

But I'm of the belief that comic books are nothing more than advertising fliers. Do you really need the Avengers to sell well for Marvel to make a movie? No. Especially when editors keep messing with whatever the writer has planned. It's why Peter David hates when X-Factor gets pulled into crossovers. Yet the only way to promote new characters for movies and licensing is by putting out quality and prove they can sell.

You mentioned Kick Ass and Scott Pilgrim. Those became movies because they had quality (though I hate SP) and proven sales.

Marvel needs to elevate the lower characters.