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Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams III Walk Off Batwoman

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby SporkBot » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:42 am

Punchy wrote:But I do get it, marriage does inhibit storytelling, I much prefer a single Spider-Man.


I really don't see how. Sure, some characters might work better single, but I never had a problem with Supes, Spidey, or other characters being married. I'm not seeing the narrative interference.

I never cared for Batwoman, to be honest. I only ever read her in Detective's "Elegy", and as much I enjoy Rucka's work, it didn't feel particularly strong. But that's me. Playing a bit of Devil's Advocate, I suppose it's possible that DC just doesn't want a married hero right now (Besides Arthur Curry), straight or gay. They can't be concerned about backlash, given the X-Men married off Northstar (at least, it was less annoying than Storm's wedding).

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Jack Burton » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:55 am

I swear to god one of these days some jackass is going to get it in his head that Reed and Sue should never have gotten married and pull the trigger.

God forbid people in comics have happy marriages.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:01 am

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I really don't see how. Sure, some characters might work better single, but I never had a problem with Supes, Spidey, or other characters being married. I'm not seeing the narrative interference.

I never cared for Batwoman, to be honest. I only ever read her in Detective's "Elegy", and as much I enjoy Rucka's work, it didn't feel particularly strong. But that's me. Playing a bit of Devil's Advocate, I suppose it's possible that DC just doesn't want a married hero right now (Besides Arthur Curry), straight or gay. They can't be concerned about backlash, given the X-Men married off Northstar (at least, it was less annoying than Storm's wedding).


I think perhaps what VS said is correct, a gay marriage in comics today, and all it symbolises would indeed inhibit storytelling.

If DC were to eventually do to Batwoman what they are currently doing to Animal Man, ie have he and his wife break up, they would be accused of homophobia, because gay characters in comics are so few that fans feel they have to be protected. There was an article on Comics Alliance yesterday where the writer was freaking out because Jason Aaron said Amazing X-Men would have a rotating cast, which could mean Northstar would lose prominence. Completely baseless hysteria, but because Northstar is gay, he is taken seriously.

With gay characters, you can't do anything interesting with them as characters, because of the gay. Look at the anger over Hulking and Wiccan breaking up.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby mrorangesoda » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:24 am

Punchy wrote:With gay characters, you can't do anything interesting with them as characters, because of the gay. Look at the anger over Hulking and Wiccan breaking up.


You can't do anything with them because there's a couple dozen of them, none of which have a secure future. That was kind of the point of the CA article.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby bkthomson » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:37 am

At the end of it all I wonder if JHW had a planned leave date for Batwoman seeing how he is doing Sandman which would put more money in his pocket beyond just from comic shops. This just maybe pushed it along a little faster than planned.
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Victorian Squid » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:40 am

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You can't do anything with them because there's a couple dozen of them, none of which have a secure future. That was kind of the point of the CA article.


LOL at grown adults reading superhero soap operas and fretting and fussing over fictional characters' "secure futures". :lol:

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:05 am

mrorangesoda wrote:
You can't do anything with them because there's a couple dozen of them, none of which have a secure future. That was kind of the point of the CA article.


So writers who do make the effort to write gay characters should be restricted because other writers don't?

I want to read about characters, not quotas.

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Postby bkthomson » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:05 am

Victorian Squid wrote:
LOL at grown adults reading superhero soap operas and fretting and fussing over fictional characters' "secure futures". :lol:


OMG, dude! Did you see who WB cast as the new Batman? Ben Aflack! What were they thinking! The move is doomed! Doomed! Doomed!
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby bkthomson » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:07 am

Punchy wrote:
So writers who do make the effort to write gay characters should be restricted because other writers don't?

I want to read about characters, not quotas.


There is no real difference between a written gay comic character than a written straight comic character.
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:09 am

For there to be drama, characters can't have 'secure futures', otherwise, what's the point? Even though the likes of Superman/Batman/Spider-Man/Iron do probably have them, you need the illusion that they don't, you need to be able to kill them off temporarily, break up their relationships or kill their supporting cast, otherwise it's boring.

I don't care if a character is gay or straight, I just don't want them to be boring, and if they are 'secure', they will be boring.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:10 am

bkthomson wrote:
There is no real difference between a written gay comic character than a written straight comic character.


In an ideal world, you're right, but gay characters are wrapped in cotton wool right now.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby bkthomson » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:11 am

Punchy wrote:
In an ideal world, you're right, but gay characters are wrapped in cotton wool right now.


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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby habitual » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:37 am

Punchy wrote:For there to be drama, characters can't have 'secure futures', otherwise, what's the point? Even though the likes of Superman/Batman/Spider-Man/Iron do probably have them, you need the illusion that they don't, you need to be able to kill them off temporarily, break up their relationships or kill their supporting cast, otherwise it's boring.

I don't care if a character is gay or straight, I just don't want them to be boring, and if they are 'secure', they will be boring.


That's incredibly stupid.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:41 am

habitual wrote:
That's incredibly stupid.

Hab


Why?

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby habitual » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:44 am

Punchy wrote:
Why?


Because it is.

What you're saying is there's never been a well written dramatic character that was married.

Ridiculous.

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