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Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams III Walk Off Batwoman

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby The Shadow » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:49 am

Crap news... Batwoman is dropped at #26.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:50 am

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Because it is.

What you're saying is there's never been a well written dramatic character that was married.

Ridiculous.

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Secure future and marriage isn't the same thing.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Pink_Orchid » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:10 am

Jack Burton wrote:God forbid people in comics have happy marriages.


This. A good writer can make a married couple work. Bad writers assume the readers don't like happy people. Or in this case editorial doesn't think the 40 year old white male basement dwellers would relate.

Which is sad considering how many of DC's creative staff are married and/or have families.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Chris » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:25 am

Oh, Punchy.... :lol:
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RE: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams III Walk Off Batwoman

Postby Christopher LaHaise » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:50 am

I was thinking about this a few days ago - what the hell's wrong with having a character get involved in a strong, happy marriage? They can have all sorts of problems without the marriage being targeted. Having Spider-Man be single again sucked (BND/ODM killed the series for me), splitting up Superman and Lois Lane, and that kind of thing pisses me off. There's nothing wrong with having a solid marriage be part of a hero's identity, and keeping that as an aspect of the identity. No, it does not mean you can't 'do anything' with the marriage. Couples fight. They make up. Life goes on. It just means you can't 'fridge' the spouse - and I think that's a good thing. When Kyle Rayner became Green Lantern, I thought it was cool that he had a girlfriend who knew his identity and supported her. When they killed her off, I was *livid*. It was NOT necessary, and turned me off from the series right there. Kyle's still my favourite GL, but the way DC handled that (and a hundred different things since) continues to piss me off.

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RE: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams III Walk Off Batwoman

Postby Jessica Youngblood » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:16 pm

Am I the only one who noticed the comment wasn't that the characters couldn't be married, it's just that the wedding couldn't be shown? So, basically, it's okay for them to mention they're married--just not for the wedding to be shown where people can see.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: Haden and Williams Walk Off Batwoman

Postby achilles » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:23 pm

Juan Cena wrote:Dang. We scooped Uncle Rich.


But not CBR. I read this hours before...
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Re: Midnight Shocker: Haden and Williams Walk Off Batwoman

Postby Zechs » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:27 pm

achilles wrote:
But not CBR. I read this hours before...


Actually we knew of it around the same time. Only twenty mins difference because of Jude watching Mary Poppins. :P
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby achilles » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:29 pm

My take: Marriage, gay, straight, whatever---doesn't inhibit storytelling, it changes it. If you're a good writer, you can do great stories either way. A married couple just opens up new kinds of stories.

Also, it seems that this was more about the Perez complaint than the gay marriage thing. Which is to say continued editorial changes at the last minute. I can see where that can get very annoying and stressful for a team. Life's too short to put up with that crap, especially when they can move elsewhere.
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Postby Jack Burton » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:29 pm

FBtron wrote:Am I the only one who noticed the comment wasn't that the characters couldn't be married, it's just that the wedding couldn't be shown? So, basically, it's okay for them to mention they're married--just not for the wedding to be shown where people can see.


Actually if you see the update "Williams mentioned that DC was more concerned about the "wedding" part of "gay wedding."

So DC is basically against any wedding which while less homophobic I guess is still just stupid.

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Postby Lord Simian » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:35 pm

FBtron wrote:Am I the only one who noticed the comment wasn't that the characters couldn't be married, it's just that the wedding couldn't be shown? So, basically, it's okay for them to mention they're married--just not for the wedding to be shown where people can see.


Yes, you are. Williams said they "were told emphatically no marriage can result".... :P

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby doombug » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:46 pm

Punchy wrote:.But I do get it, marriage does inhibit storytelling, I much prefer a single Spider-Man.

Proof that you've never been and never will be a writer.

That is flat out a bullshit statement. It's a scapegoat excuse to lazy writing.
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby doombug » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:02 pm

There were over 20 goddamn years of married Spider-man stories and no one said shit until Quesada said "Nope, I don't want this"

Hell until the new 52 happened, the Superman marriage existed and was still going strong.

Neither of these things directly changed the stories being told or the characters themselves.

So seriously Punchy, it's quite possibly the stupidest fucking argument you've ever made in your career posting anywhere.
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:04 pm

doombug wrote:Proof that you've never been and never will be a writer.

That is flat out a bullshit statement. It's a scapegoat excuse to lazy writing.


When have I ever claimed to be a writer? :smt102

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:06 pm

I seriously think you guys are getting marriage and the concept of 'secure futures' mixed up, it's two different arguments, go back and read the thread.

And if I'm the one that's wrong, why have both Marvel and DC got rid of multiple superhero marriages? It seems like writers agree with me.

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