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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby doombug » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:08 pm

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When have I ever claimed to be a writer? :smt102


The very second you made a statement directly correlating to something prohibiting storytelling. :smt011
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Postby doombug » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:11 pm

Punchy wrote:I seriously think you guys are getting marriage and the concept of 'secure futures' mixed up, it's two different arguments, go back and read the thread.

And if I'm the one that's wrong, why have both Marvel and DC got rid of multiple superhero marriages? It seems like writers agree with me.

You said "Marriage does inhibit storytelling"

That was you.

It flat out does not if you're an actual fucking writer or anyone with an imagination. It's a lame excuse that's basically saying "I can't write this so I'm making up an excuse so I don't have to"
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:16 pm

doombug wrote:You said "Marriage does inhibit storytelling"

That was you.

It flat out does not if you're an actual fucking writer or anyone with an imagination. It's a lame excuse that's basically saying "I can't write this so I'm making up an excuse so I don't have to"


I think it does inhibit stories for some characters, like Spider-Man, who needs to be a bit of a loser, or Superman, where the Lois/Clark/Superman love-triangle is very important, for others, it doesn't. Animal Man works as a married character, especially since writers like Morrison and Lemire aren't afraid to change things.

Are you really saying that the likes of Dan Slott, Mark Waid, Zeb Wells, Grant Morrison and Greg Pak aren't actual writers and don't have any imaginations? Because they have written de-married Spider-Man and Superman.

In the case of Batwoman, I think it will inhibit her story, but then, I don't give a fuck about Batwoman either way.

I think DC want to have the flexibility to maybe change Batwoman's relationship status in the future, and once she's married, they won't be able to do that, because they'd be accused of homophobia, when really, they would just be being realistic, some gay people could divorce.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:16 pm

doombug wrote:
The very second you made a statement directly correlating to something prohibiting storytelling. :smt011


Oh shut up!

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Postby eltopo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:18 pm

JH Williams to marvel ?

yes please
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Chris » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:18 pm

Punchy wrote:I seriously think you guys are getting marriage and the concept of 'secure futures' mixed up, it's two different arguments, go back and read the thread.

And if I'm the one that's wrong, why have both Marvel and DC got rid of multiple superhero marriages? It seems like writers agree with me.


Writers dont dictate editorial policies.
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Re: Midnight Shocker: Haden and Williams Walk Off Batwoman

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:18 pm

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But not CBR. I read this hours before...


Actually I think we published ours around the same time as someone posted it in their forums, but their article was posted 5 hours ago, long after ours, which went up before midnight pacific last night.
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:19 pm

The Beat was the only other site I saw on top of this right away.
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Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:21 pm

Chris wrote:
Writers dont dictate editorial policies.


Yeah, but at Marvel/DC, some of the higher-ups are also writers. (Quesada a writer/artist)

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:23 pm

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Yeah, but at Marvel/DC, some of the higher-ups are also writers. (Quesada a writer/artist)


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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby doombug » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:26 pm

Punchy wrote:
I think it does inhibit stories for some characters, like Spider-Man, who needs to be a bit of a loser, or Superman, where the Lois/Clark/Superman love-triangle is very important, for others, it doesn't. Animal Man works as a married character, especially since writers like Morrison and Lemire aren't afraid to change things.

Are you really saying that the likes of Dan Slott, Mark Waid, Zeb Wells, Grant Morrison and Greg Pak aren't actual writers and don't have any imaginations? Because they have written de-married Spider-Man and Superman.

In the case of Batwoman, I think it will inhibit her story, but then, I don't give a fuck about Batwoman either way.

I think DC want to have the flexibility to maybe change Batwoman's relationship status in the future, and once she's married, they won't be able to do that, because they'd be accused of homophobia, when really, they would just be being realistic, some gay people could divorce.


Jesus christ, you're being an idiot.

I would never say that statement about Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Zeb Wells, Grant Morrison or Greg Pak because to my knowledge they all wrote Spider-man before BND as well as after.

It was Quesada's decision and he's an artist not a writer who forced a stupid decision on his writing staff.

Spider-man still absolutely had the "parker luck" while married. It absolutely didn't interfere with the storytelling possibilities directly related to the character. He was married for over 20 years without anyone going "Uh excuse me, I can't write this character right now because he's married"

JMS's entire fan favorite run? the character was married.

Saying that marriage inhibits storytelling is just flat out a dumb statement. :smt102

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby dairydead » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:27 pm

I'm so sick of whiny, over-entitled comic book creators. We need to stop stroking their egos, people.

You work for a company, you play by a company's rules. I don't get why its that hard to understand for these pros.
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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby doombug » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:27 pm

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Yeah, but at Marvel/DC, some of the higher-ups are also writers. (Quesada a writer/artist)

No Quesada is an artist. Other than Mary what else has he helped write? :lol:

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Punchy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:29 pm

doombug wrote:No Quesada is an artist. Other than Mary what else has he helped write? :lol:


He wrote a well-recieved arc on Iron Man

He wrote Daredevil: Father

He wrote NYX

He's actually written a fair amount.

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Re: Midnight Shocker: W. Haden Blackman and J. H. Williams I

Postby Jack Burton » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:30 pm

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Jesus christ, you're being an idiot.

I would never say that statement about Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Zeb Wells, Grant Morrison or Greg Pak because to my knowledge they all wrote Spider-man before BND as well as after.

It was Quesada's decision and he's an artist not a writer who forced a stupid decision on his writing staff.

Spider-man still absolutely had the "parker luck" while married. It absolutely didn't interfere with the storytelling possibilities directly related to the character. He was married for over 20 years without anyone going "Uh excuse me, I can't write this character right now because he's married"

JMS's entire fan favorite run? the character was married.

Saying that marriage inhibits storytelling is just flat out a dumb statement. :smt102


I have said it before I'll say it again.

Marvel should have gone with amicable divorce for Spider-Man.

It would have fit with the Parker luck motif. Had a good marriage to a great lady but his Spider-Man side of life just kept getting in the way. So he lost her.

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