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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby chap22 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:41 am

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The first few issues of the original book w/ Mike W. Barr were pretty good.

All the Barr stuff from Batman & the Outsiders 1 through Adventures of the Outsiders through the Baxter paper Outsiders vol. 1 was good. And the Dixon & Tomasi stuff pre- Didio taking over was enjoyable too.

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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby MoneyMelon » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:01 am

I loved Tomasi's Outsiders and I'm still mad Dan Didio had to personally run it into the ground.

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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby bkthomson » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:38 am

MoneyMelon wrote:I loved Tomasi's Outsiders and I'm still mad Dan Didio had to personally run it into the ground.

Agree. Tomasi had a great run and then they brought in red hulk.
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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby Arion » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:09 pm

bkthomson wrote:Agree. Tomasi had a great run and then they brought in red hulk.


I'm afraid that didn't happen, my friend.

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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby e_galston » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:43 pm

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I'm afraid that didn't happen, my friend.


pretty sure Didio introduced a giant red hulk looking character into his run...
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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby Zechs » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:57 pm

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pretty sure Didio introduced a giant red hulk looking character into his run...



Brick or Freight train right? The only good thing about Didio's entire run was he brought in the "Eradicator" and the final issue. Tomasi? It was good but the problem with Tomasi is he's very bias writer. No mercy from him. If he hates a character he'll make it as if that character never existed.
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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby e_galston » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:19 pm

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Brick or Freight train right? The only good thing about Didio's entire run was he brought in the "Eradicator" and the final issue. Tomasi? It was good but the problem with Tomasi is he's very bias writer. No mercy from him. If he hates a character he'll make it as if that character never existed.


not sure of the character's name... i dropped the book as soon as Didio started writing it, i just remember the character on covers
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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby UnionJack » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:22 pm

chap22 wrote:All the Barr stuff from Batman & the Outsiders 1 through Adventures of the Outsiders through the Baxter paper Outsiders vol. 1 was good. And the Dixon & Tomasi stuff pre- Didio taking over was enjoyable too.


The original BATO & the Baxter series are among my favourite comics ever & it's been sad to see that no-one has managed to do anything anywhere near as good with the group since.
Those Barr/Aparo & early Alan Davis comics are classics.

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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby chap22 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:41 pm

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The original BATO & the Baxter series are among my favourite comics ever & it's been sad to see that no-one has managed to do anything anywhere near as good with the group since.
Those Barr/Aparo & early Alan Davis comics are classics.

yep. IMMO, those were perfectly-crafted team books: mix of old (yet still relatively unused so that there were plenty of stories to tell) and new heroes and villains, lot of short 1- and 2-issue stories which spotlighted individual characters but still included the group as a whole, some ongoing mystery, lots of action, great art, efficient use of subplots which never lingered too long...this and New Teen Titans at the time were easily my two favorite DC books, and basically served as a primer for "how to write team books"
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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby UnionJack » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:35 pm

chap22 wrote:yep. IMMO, those were perfectly-crafted team books: mix of old (yet still relatively unused so that there were plenty of stories to tell) and new heroes and villains, lot of short 1- and 2-issue stories which spotlighted individual characters but still included the group as a whole, some ongoing mystery, lots of action, great art, efficient use of subplots which never lingered too long...this and New Teen Titans at the time were easily my two favorite DC books, and basically served as a primer for "how to write team books"


Agreed. NTT & BATO easily two of the best comics ever. Just don't get team (any for that matter) books like this anymore.
Hypernaturals has a good feel to it though. First team book in many years with that classic vibe despite all-new characters. Hope it continues.

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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby Arion » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:04 pm

e_galston wrote:
pretty sure Didio introduced a giant red hulk looking character into his run...


Well, don't expect me to read a Didio comic.

I'll stick to the classic Mike W Barr's run. Thank you very much.

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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby MoneyMelon » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:10 pm

bkthomson wrote:Agree. Tomasi had a great run and then they brought in red hulk.


I never had much exposure to The Outsiders before the Dixon and Tomasi stuff but I really fell in love with the book and it prompted me to but the Batman & The Outsiders Showcase book and I loved it. It's dated but still a great read with some sweet Jim Aparo art (who draws the definitive "Batman" for me). I highly recommend it to anybody who has an appreciation for good 80's superhero stuff.

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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby chap22 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:40 pm

MoneyMelon wrote:
I never had much exposure to The Outsiders before the Dixon and Tomasi stuff but I really fell in love with the book and it prompted me to but the Batman & The Outsiders Showcase book and I loved it. It's dated but still a great read with some sweet Jim Aparo art (who draws the definitive "Batman" for me). I highly recommend it to anybody who has an appreciation for good 80's superhero stuff.

amongst a lot of other fun stories in that run, this issue from the tail end of that Showcase remains one of my favorite single issues of all time:

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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby Arion » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:40 pm

chap22 wrote:yep. IMMO, those were perfectly-crafted team books: mix of old (yet still relatively unused so that there were plenty of stories to tell) and new heroes and villains, lot of short 1- and 2-issue stories which spotlighted individual characters but still included the group as a whole, some ongoing mystery, lots of action, great art, efficient use of subplots which never lingered too long...this and New Teen Titans at the time were easily my two favorite DC books, and basically served as a primer for "how to write team books"


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Re: More Creative Team Changes at DC

Postby UnionJack » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:43 pm

Arion wrote:
Well, don't expect me to read a Didio comic.

I'll stick to the classic Mike W Barr's run. Thank you very much.


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