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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby Amoebas » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:55 pm

chap22 wrote:No it's not. It's a time-travel story. Clearly Future Havok is gonna find a way to fix it all so that it never actually blew up. This is 101.

Maybe he could go back in time and kill Hank Pym.

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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby chap22 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:05 pm

Amoebas wrote:Maybe he could go back in time and kill Hank Pym.

:lol:

seriously, man, i'm starting to worry about you. I fear you need more fiber in your diet. :wink:
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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby Johnny Smith » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:10 pm

Chesscub wrote:
I'd love it if Marvel had published blank books one month. "Earth ended. See Uncanny Avengers 17 to find out why." :lol:


Or they could publish one blank page in every book one month to get that point across :wink:

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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby Johnny Smith » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:20 pm

chap22 wrote:I would like to read about the actual Avengers in an Avengers book, but maybe that's just me


It's an Avengers book because Marvel says it's an Avengers book. You know they're Avengers, because they're in a book called "Avengers." :P

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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby Johnny Smith » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:57 pm

The main reason to keep reading this book is that Brevoort has declared that "New Avengers" is the most crucial book to what is to come to the MU that Marvel is publishing right now.


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Postby Juan Cena » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:21 pm

chap22 wrote:The turnaround in FF is honestly the only reason I'm still reading these two books at the moment, because I admittedly was one of the loud FF complainers as it was going on. But even then, at the height of my displeasure with FF, I still enjoyed that more than I am this Avengers stuff. It's just SO MUCH vaguely defined or explained pseudo-science and frankly nondescript "villains" that I just don't care about, in the midst of just too much alternate universe gobbledygook. I would like to read about the actual Avengers in an Avengers book, but maybe that's just me



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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby Stephen Day » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:33 pm

Amoebas wrote:The Illuminutti use big words to announce they're going to watch a TV show. Then they watch the TV show.

That's all that happened in this issue. Seriously, this issue in the old days would have been a page or two at most.


Agreed, this issue seemed pretty pointless.
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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby habitual » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:15 pm

Didn't this group of JLA analogs stop two incursions?

That could end up being a big deal as far as the storyline goes, which is pretty typical of Hickman's general economic style.

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Postby Stephen Day » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:32 pm

habitual wrote:Didn't this group of JLA analogs stop two incursions?

That could end up being a big deal as far as the storyline goes, which is pretty typical of Hickman's general economic style.

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True, but it's debatable when it comes to whether or not he needed an entire issue to introduce them. This issue came across as decompression at its worst.
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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby habitual » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:40 pm

Like I said earlier, he has a very economic storytelling style, or at least he did after his FF run, everything meant something.

It's hard for me to see Hickman as a decompression guy at all, especially after reading some of his other works like East of West and The Manhattan Projects.

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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby Stephen Day » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:55 pm

habitual wrote:Like I said earlier, he has a very economic storytelling style, or at least he did after his FF run, everything meant something.

It's hard for me to see Hickman as a decompression guy at all, especially after reading some of his other works like East of West and The Manhattan Projects.

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This issue came across to me as just that. The introduction to these characters could have been compressed to a couple of pages, there was really that little information given to the reader. I still like what he's doing overall with this series, but this particular issue seemed like a waste.
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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby Juan Cena » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:35 pm

habitual wrote:Didn't this group of JLA analogs stop two incursions?

That could end up being a big deal as far as the storyline goes, which is pretty typical of Hickman's general economic style.

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Yeah, it looks like these guys are going to be the center of the Illuminati's attention for the next few issues.

The past few issues have seen a lot of setup, true. As usual, it will probably read better as a complete work.
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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby habitual » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:51 am

Stephen Day wrote:
This issue came across to me as just that. The introduction to these characters could have been compressed to a couple of pages, there was really that little information given to the reader. I still like what he's doing overall with this series, but this particular issue seemed like a waste.


Ok I just reread this and I don't think you could be more wrong :D

I think what's going to be pivotal in this issue is what we saw the Norn do to the anchor planet, especially in light of the events we see in NA #14 with the steps that Dr. Strange takes at the Resolute Throne in the Lost Lands to empower himself to do the same thing.

Another detail is that whatever it is exactly the Norn does to the anchor planet can't be done by one person, it makes me think that whatever Strange, Doom will also be involved in somehow, but, that's just speculation on my part.

A smaller detail is that the Sun-God's speech is almost point for point a counter to the one we see Reed giving at the beginning of each issue.

After the reread I really don't think that there would be too many different ways that Hickman could get the same amount of information across as effectively. I think each panel is going to be significant to future events.

So nyah on your decompression talk :twisted:


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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby Amoebas » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:04 am

habitual wrote:
Ok I just reread this and I don't think you could be more wrong :D

I think what's going to be pivotal in this issue is what we saw the Norn do to the anchor planet, especially in light of the events we see in NA #14 with the steps that Dr. Strange takes at the Resolute Throne in the Lost Lands to empower himself to do the same thing.

Another detail is that whatever it is exactly the Norn does to the anchor planet can't be done by one person, it makes me think that whatever Strange, Doom will also be involved in somehow, but, that's just speculation on my part.

A smaller detail is that the Sun-God's speech is almost point for point a counter to the one we see Reed giving at the beginning of each issue.

After the reread I really don't think that there would be too many different ways that Hickman could get the same amount of information across as effectively.

Except, you know, what you just did in 3 sentences that Hickman spent 20+ pages on. :-D
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Re: New Avengers #16 (Everything lives Spoilers)

Postby habitual » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:13 am

Amoebas wrote:Except, you know, what you just did in 23 sentences that Hickman spent 20+ pages on. :-D


Yes, but, my overall point that there still was not a panel that was for fluff in either NA#14 or 16. There are even some threads in there that go all the way back to Doom War.

Hickman is complex, that I'll concede, but, there is absolutely no fluff/decompression.

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