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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Herald » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:57 pm

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:smt013

Craig James killed twenty hookers, all at once, because of that comment.


Hey, killing Karate Kid is one of those things Giffen does best!

"DC Comics writer Keith Giffen is unabashed about his hatred of Legion of Super-Heroes character Karate Kid and his 'super karate', and has stated outright that any time he ends up writing the Legion comic, Karate Kid will die." :twisted:

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby habitual » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:04 pm

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I see the forest pretty clearly. Legion needs some fresh voices running the show. Not retreads.


I agree, Giffen is hardly a retread.

And your eye sight is really bad.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:30 pm

Herald wrote:
Hey, killing Karate Kid is one of those things Giffen does best!

"DC Comics writer Keith Giffen is unabashed about his hatred of Legion of Super-Heroes character Karate Kid and his 'super karate', and has stated outright that any time he ends up writing the Legion comic, Karate Kid will die." :twisted:


Enough reason to for me to hate Giffen's f**king guts.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:32 pm

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I agree, Giffen is hardly a retread.

And your eye sight is really bad.

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He last wrote/plotted the book about twenty f**king years ago! And sales were low when he was working on it.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby habitual » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:39 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
He last wrote/plotted the book about twenty f**king years ago! And sales were low when he was working on it.


How times have changed.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:43 pm

Herald wrote:
Hey, killing Karate Kid is one of those things Giffen does best!

"DC Comics writer Keith Giffen is unabashed about his hatred of Legion of Super-Heroes character Karate Kid and his 'super karate', and has stated outright that any time he ends up writing the Legion comic, Karate Kid will die." :twisted:


Maybe he didn't like the movie either...

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:45 am

habitual wrote:
How times have changed.

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Not really. The team was going in the wrong direction when he came back to the book in 88, and he took it even further into the wrong direction with the FYG.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:16 pm

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Not really. The team was going in the wrong direction when he came back to the book in 88, and he took it even further into the wrong direction with the FYG.


A lot of people loved the Five Year Gap.

Plus Element Lad in a relationship with a guy has to be one of the best Legion moments ever.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Agent Panic » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:43 pm

Haha@DnA not being the reason Marvel Cosmic was so great. Ok, then.

The Legion reboot had a great start with John's Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes. Then it got wonky in its own book. And very boring. There have been some amazing interpretations of the team, such as the original Legion Lost written by.. oh yeah, DnA.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:40 pm

Arion wrote:
A lot of people loved the Five Year Gap.

Plus Element Lad in a relationship with a guy has to be one of the best Legion moments ever.


Not enough, since they rebooted it.
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby habitual » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:39 am

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Not enough, since they rebooted it.


The two don't necessarily correlate.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:54 am

habitual wrote:
The two don't necessarily correlate.

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If you don't have enough people buying the book, you don't have enough people buying the book. That should tell you the direction you're going in messed up somewhere.

FYG went wrong for going to dark.

D&A may have gotten a little too high concept in places.

Waid really didn't do a good enough job at explaining what the Threeboot was trying to do with fixing the underlying flaws of their "utopia."

Johns wasn't as concerned with making Legion work on its own as he was making it a part of the Superman story he pretty much abandoned when he quit the book.

Levitz failed to fix the Legion's underlying problems (aging team, continuity issues, etc.)
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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby habitual » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:28 am

The Nacireman wrote:
If you don't have enough people buying the book, you don't have enough people buying the book. That should tell you the direction you're going in messed up somewhere.

FYG went wrong for going to dark.

D&A may have gotten a little too high concept in places.

Waid really didn't do a good enough job at explaining what the Threeboot was trying to do with fixing the underlying flaws of their "utopia."

Johns wasn't as concerned with making Legion work on its own as he was making it a part of the Superman story he pretty much abandoned when he quit the book.

Levitz failed to fix the Legion's underlying problems (aging team, continuity issues, etc.)


Which is entirely irrelevant to my point.

A reboot doesn't have anything to do with popularity or sales, i.e. see the nu52.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Arion » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:36 pm

Agent Panic wrote:Haha@DnA not being the reason Marvel Cosmic was so great. Ok, then.

The Legion reboot had a great start with John's Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes. Then it got wonky in its own book. And very boring. There have been some amazing interpretations of the team, such as the original Legion Lost written by.. oh yeah, DnA.


I absolutely loved Abnett and Lanning's Legion Lost.

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Re: It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:42 pm

Arion wrote:
I absolutely loved Abnett and Lanning's Legion Lost.


Legion Lost happened whei was kind of out of comics, so I haven't gotten much of a chance to experience it. That said, I read Legion of the D***ed and wasn't blown away.

Then again, I've never been a huge fan of D&A going back to when they blew up Avengers West Coast and turned it into Force Works. They're ideas seem to be more interesting then their writing is. I read Hypernaturals more for the post-singularity concept than I do for the any fondness for the characters.
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