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by **nietoperz** » Sun May 20, 2012 12:25 pm

I miss the marriage and think retconning it was a mistake. Having said that, Slott's ASM is the best the book has been since Roger Stern was writing it: it's fun, exciting and true to the character I grew up loving.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Sun May 20, 2012 12:30 pm

I just wish Spidey wouldn't get a new outfit every other arc.

And I miss the days when Spidey would chase after a van of thugs after a heist.

And Cardiac. Comics need more Cardiac.

He's a Doctor with one of the coolest costumes, dammit!!

by **Dan Slott** » Sun May 20, 2012 12:32 pm

nietoperz wrote:I miss the marriage and think retconning it was a mistake. Having said that, Slott's ASM is the best the book has been since Roger Stern was writing it: it's fun, exciting and true to the character I grew up loving.

Well, you're wrong. You've obviously never been to the Spider-Man Crawlspace or read any of (Edited to remove Spidertour's real name, by request - Nieto.)'s unbiased reviews. Clearly the current run of Spider-Man "sucks nuts."

by **Dan Slott** » Sun May 20, 2012 12:35 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:I just wish Spidey wouldn't get a new outfit every other arc.

We'll take a break from that. Promise.

BubbaKanoosh wrote:And I miss the days when Spidey would chase after a van of thugs after a heist.

This... can be arranged. :-)

(More "street-level" stuff is on the way.)

BubbaKanoosh wrote:And Cardiac. Comics need more Cardiac.

He's a Doctor with one of the coolest costumes, dammit!!

Would love to bring back Cardiac. Fun character. 2012 is pretty blocked out. Let me see what I can do in 2013. :wink:

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Sun May 20, 2012 12:54 pm

Well, that's cool (regarding the street level stuff). As much as I love Spidey on the Avengers, doing so (to me) amps his level up and takes away from his roots.

A character like Sin Eater seems like small potatoes now.

I think that is why I am loving Scarlet Spider so much, reminds me of Spidey without the FF and Avengers on speed dial.

by **Chris** » Sun May 20, 2012 12:56 pm

Dan Slott wrote:We'll take a break from that. Promise.

(More "street-level" stuff is on the way.)

The two biggest things that put me off the book right now.

Peter is Tony Stark Jr. with unlimited resources to create whatever gadgets and suits he needs. Not a fan of the Horizon Labs job at all.

by **nietoperz** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:00 pm

I like Horizon. It's good to remember that Peter is a scientific genius and can do better than just hawking pictures to the Bugle.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:02 pm

I personally liked him as a teacher.

by **Chris** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:08 pm

nietoperz wrote:I like Horizon. It's good to remember that Peter is a scientific genius and can do better than just hawking pictures to the Bugle.

Peter is smart. Peter shouldn't be Reed Richards or Tony Stark smart. And he shouldn't be a genius at EVERYTHING. That's absurd.

Spider-Man was always meant to be an everyman type of character. The fact that he had to settle for lowly jobs like being a photographer, because his life as Spider-Man kept ruining everything else was appealing.

Sure, I'm all for some progress and you can't keep things stale for 50 years.. but like Bubba said, the teacher development was nice. Stuff along those lines. Keeping Peter grounded..

Being able to fix all of your problems by whipping up some gadget everytime isn't nearly as interesting as outwitting your opponents. It's like a shortcut, to me. And it feels more like an Iron Man thing to do.. I keep expecting Pete to whip up some Hulkbuster armor or something.

by **Chris** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:10 pm

That recent Mark Waid issue that crossed over with Daredevil is one of the best issues throughout this "Big Time" era.

by **Punchy** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:24 pm

Holland Oats wrote:
Peter is smart. Peter shouldn't be Reed Richards or Tony Stark smart. And he shouldn't be a genius at EVERYTHING. That's absurd.

Spider-Man was always meant to be an everyman type of character. The fact that he had to settle for lowly jobs like being a photographer, because his life as Spider-Man kept ruining everything else was appealing.

Sure, I'm all for some progress and you can't keep things stale for 50 years.. but like Bubba said, the teacher development was nice. Stuff along those lines. Keeping Peter grounded..

Being able to fix all of your problems by whipping up some gadget everytime isn't nearly as interesting as outwitting your opponents. It's like a shortcut, to me. And it feels more like an Iron Man thing to do.. I keep expecting Pete to whip up some Hulkbuster armor or something.

I think the current storyline undercut that though, Pete spent all that time building his anti-Sinister Six armour... and it didn't work.

by **The Shadow** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:36 pm

The President wrote:Spider-Man is better now than while he was married, so no to both.

Agreed.

Best Spidey since before 1987.

by **Chris** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:39 pm

JMD's Spectacular Spidey run in the early 90's (pre-clone saga) was better.

JMS' run up until Sins Past and when Spidey joined the Avengers was better, but it took a massive dive around there. With the exception of the Loki story. That was really good. Around #500 I think.

Parts of BND were REALLY good. Others not so much. And I am really not a fan of Big Time right now at all.

by **The Shadow** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:44 pm

Miracloman wrote:Frankly,I didn't see any improvement in the quality of the Spiderman comics after OMD.

I guess it's how you define improvement.

IMO they've gone from dark and brooding to fun and witty. Give me post fun OMD Spidey verses Totem/spider god Spidey any day of the week.

The change in attitude, tone and fun is an improvement in the book to me. The return of many classic characters, introduction of new ones and the return of any supporting cast outside of May and MJ is also a vast improvement to me.

by **The Shadow** » Sun May 20, 2012 1:51 pm

mrorangesoda wrote:Marvel realized it was dragging and got a great editor, a good group of writers, and some of their best artists to work on the book.

That implies they knew it was sucking with such crappy talent as JMS, Romita and Deodato on it and allowed it to suck for several YEARS without doing anything about it.