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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby outsider » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:01 pm

Amoebas wrote:Technically correct - but 'Dick Grayson' has been killed before.
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Technically, Dick's and Helena's corpses are on Post-Crisis Earth!
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Spektre » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:13 pm

outsider wrote:Technically, Dick's and Helena's corpses are on Post-Crisis Earth!


Close but no.

They were for a short time thanks to Mekanique, but they vanished shortly thereafter.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby outsider » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:07 pm

Spektre wrote:
Close but no.

They were for a short time thanks to Mekanique, but they vanished shortly thereafter.

LOL, you're using a character from the King of Retcons yet you don't acknowledge latter-day retcons?
I love your inconsistent/arbitrary sliding scale to define continuity. :lol:
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Arion » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:51 pm

HNutz wrote:Death in comics works best when it's not a revolving door to the afterlife.



I wonder if anyone can name 10 fairly recognizable characters from the Big Two that have NOT died and come back?


Exactly, if everyone is resurrecting then they should learn NOT to kill their characters.

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Spektre » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:39 am

outsider wrote:LOL, you're using a character from the King of Retcons yet you don't acknowledge latter-day retcons?
I love your inconsistent/arbitrary sliding scale to define continuity. :lol:
You are certainly one of the most entertaining posters of the year.


COIE did not fully establish a continuity until Mekanique let loose.

MUCH was in flux until this settled down.

I make no claims that any continuity existed prior to COIE.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby HNutz » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:51 am

HNutz wrote:Death in comics works best when it's not a revolving door to the afterlife.



I wonder if anyone can name 10 fairly recognizable characters from the Big Two that have NOT died and come back?


Arion wrote:Exactly, if everyone is resurrecting then they should learn NOT to kill their characters.


Yeah, it's less dramatic and more of a waiting game these days.

"Oh no, they're killing the Human Torch at the end of this 4 part story!"
"Eh, he'll be back in a year or so."
And, sure enough...


Aside from my challenge to name 10 fairly recognizable characters from the Big Two who have NOT died and come back, I wonder how many Marvel/DC characters we can think of that have died and come back MORE THAN ONCE?



Jean Grey "died" in the Dark Phoenix Saga and again in Grant Morrison's New X-Men.
Batman died in Grant Morrison's R.I.P and, right around the same time, he "died" in Final Crisis.
Xavier "died" years ago (but then we found out it was Changling who'd taken his place), believed dead after House of M and then was killed in AvX.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby outsider » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:18 am

Spektre wrote:
COIE did not fully establish a continuity until Mekanique let loose.

MUCH was in flux until this settled down.

I make no claims that any continuity existed prior to COIE.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby chap22 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:18 am

HNutz wrote:

Aside from my challenge to name 10 fairly recognizable characters from the Big Two who have NOT died and come back, I wonder how many Marvel/DC characters we can think of that have died and come back MORE THAN ONCE?



Jean Grey "died" in the Dark Phoenix Saga and again in Grant Morrison's New X-Men.
Batman died in Grant Morrison's R.I.P and, right around the same time, he "died" in Final Crisis.
Xavier "died" years ago (but then we found out it was Changling who'd taken his place), believed dead after House of M and then was killed in AvX.

i'd assume we're not counting villains, who used to be "believed dead" after damn near every appearance it seems like...

Thor (at least once under DeFalco, then between Disassembled and JMS's run)
Spidey? Kraven's Last Hunt, currently
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Chesscub » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:23 am

I don't like death in comics. The bug parts get all over the pages. :derp:

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby HNutz » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:42 am

chap22 wrote:i'd assume we're not counting villains, who used to be "believed dead" after damn near every appearance it seems like...

Thor (at least once under DeFalco, then between Disassembled and JMS's run)
Spidey? Kraven's Last Hunt, currently
Steve Rogers


We can count villains if you want, but for a lot of them, especially Joker, they were "dead" (believed dead without a body) until the next time they appeared. So I wouldn't. ;)

Definitely see Thor on this list and Spidey counts, too. If there's issues counting his current state of affairs, there's also his death from "The Other".

As for Steve... Of course he was believed dead at the end of WWII. And he died under Brubaker. I remember he wasn't doing so well when the Super Soldier serum was breaking down (Waid's first run, I think) but I don't remember if he died there or if that was undone by Heroes Reborn. So he's got AT LEAST two.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Spektre » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:03 pm

outsider wrote:I can't tell if you've had a marrow transplant from a crazy bone or if you've been cooking with mad sauce.


What's confusing for you?

COIE brought light out of the darkness.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Amoebas » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:21 pm

chap22 wrote:i'd assume we're not counting villains, who used to be "believed dead" after damn near every appearance it seems like...
Spidey? Kraven's Last Hunt

Oh come on. You refuse to accept the Hulk died and went to Hel (which he did), and then you try to sell that Spidey was killed dead in Kraven's Last Hunt (when the story clearly established he was only tranq'ed)?

What's happened to you Chap?

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Amoebas » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:23 pm

HNutz wrote:As for Steve... Of course he was believed dead at the end of WWII. And he died under Brubaker. I remember he wasn't doing so well when the Super Soldier serum was breaking down (Waid's first run, I think)

It was the end of Gruenwald's epic run (and just before Waid started).

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby HNutz » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:30 pm

Amoebas wrote:Oh come on. You refuse to accept the Hulk died and went to Hel (which he did), and then you try to sell that Spidey was killed dead in Kraven's Last Hunt (when the story clearly established he was only tranq'ed)?

What's happened to you Chap?


Well, he was "believed dead"...

Amoebas wrote:It was the end of Gruenwald's epic run (and just before Waid started).


I knew it was close, I just couldn't remember if it was Gru or Waid. So I guessed Waid.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Amoebas » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:47 pm

HNutz wrote:Well, he was "believed dead"...

True, that was the writers intent (just as it was JM's intent that he never truly died) :-D

As for characters that have died at least two times that I can think of right now...
Simon Williams
Carter Hall (and his various past lives)
Solomon Grundy
Thanos
Mister Immortal
Immortal Man
Ressurection Man

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