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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby outsider » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:32 am

Spektre wrote:Go out there and make a movie about Odin and see if it makes as much as Thor did.
Odin hasn't had his own title like Thor did.
Odin has always been a supporting character.

Hmmm... you're making an apples & oranges comparison. Maybe you're a Jude alias? :lol:
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Arion » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:29 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Iron Man 3 didn't earn that money because of nostalgia. :roll:

Most of those people buying tickets never have and never will read an Iron Man comic book, no matter how many times some of you mopes can go see the same movie over and over again in a month.

Iron Man franchise made that kind of money because of Robert Downey Jr, and the Money Men agree judging from the unprecedented kinds of deals he made to star in them.



Ummm....S.H.I.E.L.D.? Soon to have its own TV show?


Indeed. We can have one million guys going to the movies, but not even 10% of that audience will actually buy an Iron Man comic.

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby 3MJ » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:28 pm

It should have more. Anyone who thinks you should remove death is an idiot.

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:00 am

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, because while Iron Man is definitely not as well known as Spider-Man -- I think many of you underestimate the reach of the actual character into mainstream consciousness over nearly 50 years of publication.

Just say Iron Man sold 20,000 comics each year for those 50 years. Obviously, he sold more. But let's go really, really low, and say that the character only sold 20,000 comics every year.

That, in and of itself, is 1,000,000 comic books published and sold with Tony Stark.

Again, just soak that in: With that ridiculously low number, just books titled "Iron Man" have been published and sold ONE MILLION TIMES.

Not talking appearances in books like Avengers, or on cartoons. Just books titled "Iron Man."

I think you guys underestimate just how many people, how many casual readers, have seen an issue of "Iron Man" in their life who knew exactly what they were going to see when they went to the first movie. Not every person saves a copy in a longbox for years and years.

But Iron Man wasn't nearly as tough a sell as you guys are making it out to be.

Now, Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man? I'm telling you now, those are going to be a hell of a lot harder to sell than Iron Man was. That's just the math behind reach projections.

I am extremely curious to see how Guardians of the Galaxy does. Extremely curious.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Spektre » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:09 am

outsider wrote:Odin hasn't had his own title like Thor did.
Odin has always been a supporting character.

Hmmm... you're making an apples & oranges comparison. Maybe you're a Jude alias? :lol:


Wait. So nostalgia had nothing to do with it...only fond feelings over a character that has had his own title, as opposed to one who "has always (in the past) been a supporting character."

Um...sounds like nostalgia to me.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Amoebas » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:13 am

No doubt that nostalgia played a part in the IM movie success.

People collectively know or have heard of Iron Man (most middle agers can probably sing the cartoon song).

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby outsider » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:32 am

Spektre wrote:Wait. So nostalgia had nothing to do with it
With Iron Man 3 doing well? NOPE. RDJr & company were the reason IM3 did well, not nostalgia for the comics.

Spektre wrote:...only fond feelings over a character that has had his own title, as opposed to one who "has always (in the past) been a supporting character."

Um...sounds like nostalgia to me.
I never said "fond feelings over a character", good try though. Supporting character vs. leading character does affect a project getting greenlit. Thor or Iron Man would get a shot at a solo movie long before Odin or Happy.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby outsider » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:35 am

Amoebas wrote:No doubt that nostalgia played a part in the IM movie success.

People collectively know or have heard of Iron Man (most middle agers can probably sing the cartoon song).
WAit, I think there are different points being debated.

Iron Man 3's success = 99.99% due to RDJr and the Avengers movie
Iron Man 2's success = that kickass opening sequence in Monaco with the suitcase armor 8)
Iron Man 1's success = mostly fluke with *some* nostalgia/passing fondness for the character (I'd attribute 20% of ticket sales to that, but that's probably a very high estimate)
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby HNutz » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:49 am

Iron Man 3's success = RDJr and the Avengers movie
Iron Man 2's success = RDJr and the goodwill generated by the first movie
Iron Man 1's success = RDJr and the fact that it was a FUN superhero movie


I think nostalgia played a small percentage, if any, with Iron Man being a hit.

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby outsider » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:56 am

HNutz wrote:Iron Man 3's success = RDJr and the Avengers movie
Iron Man 2's success = RDJr and the goodwill generated by the first movie
Iron Man 1's success = RDJr and the fact that it was a FUN superhero movie


I think nostalgia played a small percentage, if any, with Iron Man being a hit.
Add in a suitcase armor reference for IM2 and I'll sponsor your bill, Senator HNutz! 8)

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby chap22 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:20 am

Jubilee wrote:It should have more. Anyone who thinks you should remove death is an idiot.

STFU, Twigglet!

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:36 am

Again, some of you are overstating exactly where Robert Downey Jr.'s career was before "Iron Man."

Was he good in it? Certainly. And that's a credit to him. If he was awful in it, as Ryan Reynolds was in Green Lantern, that might've killed the potential franchise.

But that was the start of a career resurgence, not the pinnacle of it. Getting people in the door for that first one -- again, if Robert Downey Jr. is playing "Tony Jones, the Invincible Tin Foil Man," don't tell me that this conversation is being held.

Again, I know people on this board hate to say, "Oh, OK. Yeah, I see that."

But it's obvious that Iron Man, as a property, had enough familiarity with a mass audience that it could be successful.

It can be both. You need the property just as much as the performer, and the reason people care about the property is because, well, nostalgia dictates that.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Jack Burton » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:04 am

People intially went to Iron Man because it was the start of 2008's summer movie season, comic book movies do good business and it had good/great trailers.

Iron Man was a sucess because of RDJ killing it and the story being awesome.

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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:12 am

Jack Burton wrote:People intially went to Iron Man because it was the start of 2008's summer movie season, comic book movies do good business and it had good/great trailers.

Iron Man was a sucess because of RDJ killing it and the story being awesome.


Exactly -- but you can't state the phrase "comic book movies do good business" and not examine exactly what that means. Why do comic book movies do good business?

Nostalgia for the medium, the property involved. Familiarity of, and with, concept.
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Re: Quick, random question: Would you have death in comics?

Postby Jack Burton » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:18 am

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
Exactly -- but you can't state the phrase "comic book movies do good business" and not examine exactly what that means. Why do comic book movies do good business?

Nostalgia for the medium, the property involved. Familiarity of, and with, concept.


I'd argue it's probably more that they sold the movie well and it was a good movie. Not a pile of horsecrap. Being the first summer movie out of the block and it not looking like complete crap were it's biggest factors imo.

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