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Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby mrorangesoda » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:41 pm

Chris wrote:
Phoenix continuity is convoluted as fuck. I don't even care that they did, and I'm glad they essentially took it off the table for the foreseeable future.


I'm willing to bet that the next Marvel event involves trouble with the M'Kraan Crystal now that the Phoenix is gone.

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby holtom2000 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:48 pm

My Phoenix experience is pretty much from the cartoons

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby habitual » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:21 am

Chris wrote:
I don't count Messiah Complex and Second Coming.

Those weren't linewide events, those were just crossovers.

Siege was really good, but could've used more issues.


Annihilation still blows this event out of the water.

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby habitual » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:22 am

Chris wrote:
Phoenix continuity is convoluted as fuck. I don't even care that they did, and I'm glad they essentially took it off the table for the foreseeable future.


Which is exactly why it's a poor focus for an event comic and why this event wasn't very good.

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby mrorangesoda » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:17 pm

habitual wrote:
Annihilation still blows this event out of the water.

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This. Also, the old Marvel events blow those out of the water.

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby Draco x » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:50 pm

Would have made a good videogame but it sucked ass as a story. I still theorize that Marvel consulted Michael Bay, Tyler Perry and Vince McMahon when they came up with this event.

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby The Beast » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:57 pm

Wicked review, my favorite part was the bit about the

1. A Manufactured Event

   Avengers vs. X-Men was the big Marvel Event this year.  It has become standard practice to have large, multi-book crossover events every year to drive sales, whether they come together naturally or have to be forced into creation.  Many actions and events are shoe-horned into place for the sake of creating the "means to an end" that is predetermined and will lead the next arc of stories, which will lead to the next event.  This gives the reader the feeling that the entire comic book line is built around these events, resulting in more editorial mandates and less quality storytelling.  The corporate overlords at Marvel don't understand that readers can tell the difference between a writer creating an amazing story that evolves organically into something bigger and a group of suits deciding on an artificially "shocking" which they can tout at comic cons and the Jimmy Kimmel show.
 
   We see this in Hollywood all the time: a gifted director creates something great and studios try to break that creation down into a formula to recreate it.  The success of Sin City brought us The Spirit. The success of Nolan's Batman trilogy has pushed the upcoming Superman movie, Man of Steel, toward a darker and more realistic take.  It works often enough to make a quick buck and, therefore, is viewed as a viable marketing strategy, but it's not the way to make a great story.
 
   Technically one could say that all stories are "manufactured," and that is semantically true, but I would rather have a writer "manufacture" the story than a group of editors or stockholders.  Watchmen came to us because of Moore and Gibbons, not because a group of editors at DC got together and plotted the story out for the purpose of creating some massive hit, and then assigned their employed talent to execute a concept they may not fully believe in.  After all, artists have visions, not committees.



This is the root of all evil in corporate sponsored storytelling endeavours. The source of literary inbreeding that Moore talked about recently at his latest Con appearance.

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby covalesky » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:04 pm

I liked the versus issue i read. But those are mindless arena fighting books.

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Re: Review: Avengers VS X-Men series

Postby The Beast » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:22 pm

covalesky wrote:I liked the versus issue i read. But those are mindless arena fighting books.


Agreed, there was some great moments in the AVX issues, I think I enjoyed it more than the main series.

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