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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:07 pm

amlah6 wrote:If you want to know what happened in Ultimatum, read Ultimatum. This is the story after Ultimatum. Millar acknowledged that it happened without dwelling on it, anything more would have been overkill.

I don't even know what the Triskellion even is.

again, NEVER HAPPENED would have been better.

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Postby ****** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:09 pm

thefourthman wrote:I don't even know what the Triskellion even is.

again, NEVER HAPPENED would have been better.


So you haven't read the comic either then? Awesome. :roll:

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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:10 pm

amlah6 wrote:So you haven't read the comic either then? Awesome. :roll:

I read the book. I have no idea what those first few pages were even about other then to tell me that the cap/hawkeye fight is a flashback and to let me know that Fury is jobless. All that crap about the building made absolutely no fucking sense.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:12 pm

thefourthman wrote:I'm not making a point about Rulk, I am making a point about the level of story telling in this ONE SINGLE ISSUE. There is none.
Hawkeye and Fury gab, flashback - Cap and Hawkeye beat up some toddlers in AIM costumes over a completely intact NY, Red Skull whispers something to Cap. Cap and Hawkeye go skydiving out of helicopters, Cap says "Red Skull is my Son". - to be continued. They didn't need 32 pages to tell that story, they didn't even need 32 panels. hell it doesn't take much more than 32 words until you say oh yeah, Danvers in Charge, Tony Drunk, playing chess.


So you prefer a don't show, tell kind of thing?

Go read your Claremonts old man!

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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:17 pm

Punchy wrote:So you prefer a don't show, tell kind of thing?

Go read your Claremonts old man!

huh?

It doesn't even show. It is a big long fight. That's all this comic is. Yes it is a great action sequence. Yes it could be part of a big awesome story. No, on its own, it is not a big awesome story. How hard is that to understand?

I got the steak, where the fuck is my baked potato and salad?

It is a component of a satisfying story, but it is lacking other components to be such on its own.


What's really funny is that I actually like this comic. I don't hate it by any means, and I sure don't think it is a guilty pleasure like Rulk. It just isn't the second coming.

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Postby 48THRiLLS » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:19 pm

I did not read Ultimatum and I dropped U3 after 2 issues of Loeb. If Millar was gonna recap everything that happened after U2 it would be the most informative yet boring book ever. I figure the stuff that hasn't been gotten to will be gotten to, I read this as a hook to get people excited about the franchise again and not dwell on the crap that happened before. It is only the first issue and it seems some are grading this as an entire run and as a first issue I thought it was great, it set up the plot and subtly let readers know what is going on with some of the goings on... it would have to be and double sized book (which may have not been a bad idea) to get to everyone who has parts to play in this series.

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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:24 pm

I am not saying nor have I ever said that I wanted Millar to recap everything since U2, I am also grading this book as its own thing, not part of a greater whole, it is completely possible that this book may look better after the story is complete.

My problem with the book is that it is vapid action. That's it. (And I don't like Posner's coloring in places. :P )

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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:25 pm

I think there is just a problem with some reviewers because a few of us dared say that the messiah comic isn't all that.
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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:26 pm

amlah6 wrote:If you want to know what happened in Ultimatum, read Ultimatum. This is the story after Ultimatum. Millar acknowledged that it happened without dwelling on it, anything more would have been overkill.


Uh oh! Amlah is here to get behind Punchy with his nerd boner!*





















*(Yes, I meant that eupemistically for buttsecks.)

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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:27 pm

House of J wrote:Uh oh! Amlah is here to get behind Punchy with his nerd boner!*





















*(Yes, I meant that eupemistically for buttsecks.)

I think we have a clear case of the majority of the reviewers letting their dick do their thinking for them. What this group needs right now is an impartial woman.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:29 pm

thefourthman wrote:I think there is just a problem with some reviewers because a few of us dared say that the messiah comic isn't all that.


I thought Wednesday Comics was the messiah comic?

Millar is just a very naughty boy.

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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:30 pm

thefourthman wrote:I think we have a clear case of the majority of the reviewers letting their dick do their thinking for them. What this group needs right now is an impartial woman.


We would split her in two like wet pine!

I can't remember where I'm quoting that from, but it sure sounds disgusting, doesn't it?

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Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:31 pm

So, Punchy, you're pretty much locked into your review whether you agree with us after reading it or not, right?
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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:31 pm

Punchy wrote:I thought Wednesday Comics was the messiah comic?

Millar is just a very naughty boy.

that was weeks ago and it clearly was not the messiah comic, I don't feel saved at all.

Not in this comic.

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Postby thefourthman » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:32 pm

House of J wrote:We would split her in two like wet pine!

I can't remember where I'm quoting that from, but it sure sounds disgusting, doesn't it?

Normally, I would volunteer Punchy as the woman of the group, but he is clearly not impartial this week.

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