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john lewis hawk

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Postby john lewis hawk » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:10 pm

Rooster Illusion wrote:You'd have 43 if I could think of the words to write regarding Ultimate X #1, but 208 "Meh"s would be cheating.
208 variations of "shit".
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Garofani Spruzzo

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Postby Garofani Spruzzo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:11 pm

john lewis hawk wrote:208 variations of "shit".


If it's a slow morning in the shop tomorrow I just might attempt that very thing.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:18 pm

I didn't really think that BRian meant easy to anticipate. I think he meant that he would not be able to give the different voices to the characters.

I don't know, I am not always trying to figure out what is going on anymore and just enjoy the ride, so I didn't really foresee the twist here or the obvious end of Sweet Tooth #5
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Garofani Spruzzo

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Postby Garofani Spruzzo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:24 pm

thefourthman wrote:I didn't really think that BRian meant easy to anticipate. I think he meant that he would not be able to give the different voices to the characters.

I don't know, I am not always trying to figure out what is going on anymore and just enjoy the ride, so I didn't really foresee the twist here or the obvious end of Sweet Tooth #5


That was actually Becky Cloonan's quote anyway, they switch back and forth. Brian's quotes "..the thought of revisiting it worried me. What if we blew it? What if whatever magic...has disappeared? Could we fake it? Would we want to? Would a bunch of mediocre new Demos tarnish the original?" sum up a panoply of concerns, clearly.

Someday you'll figure something out! :roll:

EDIT: Wait, are you saying you didn't think Jeppard was stringing Gus along after luring him with chocolate bars and the rest of the foreshadowing in Sweet Tooth?! Hey, Rube!
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:30 pm

Rooster Illusion wrote:That was actually Becky Cloonan's quote anyway, they switch back and forth. Brian's quotes "..the thought of revisiting it worried me. What if we blew it? What if whatever magic...has disappeared? Could we fake it? Would we want to? Would a bunch of mediocre new Demos tarnish the original?" sum up a panoply of concerns, clearly.

Someday you'll figure something out! :roll:

got nothing to do with figuring stuff out. I just don't worry about where something is going any more until I get there. It's why I was able to enjoy Countdown when I read it. The only times I worry about stuff is when it doesn't make sense to me, like when Iron Man and Siege seem to be telling the same store, but can't possibly.

It makes things more fun if you try to take the journey that the creator wanted you to go.

I blame it on Toni Morrison, personally.
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Garofani Spruzzo

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Postby Garofani Spruzzo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:38 pm

thefourthman wrote:got nothing to do with figuring stuff out. I just don't worry about where something is going any more until I get there. It's why I was able to enjoy Countdown when I read it. The only times I worry about stuff is when it doesn't make sense to me, like when Iron Man and Siege seem to be telling the same store, but can't possibly.

It makes things more fun if you try to take the journey that the creator wanted you to go.

I blame it on Toni Morrison, personally.


Hunh. I only blame her for shitty poetry, myself.

Anyway, it's not "trying to figure stuff out" in advance, it's recognizing narrative
patterns I've seen many times before. No matter what you might think, I still get to enjoy things. :roll:

Also, if a writer didn't want you to perceive foreshadowing, why would they write it??
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:39 pm

Rooster Illusion wrote:Hunh. I only blame her for shitty poetry, myself.

Anyway, it's not "trying to figure stuff out" in advance, it's recognizing narrative
patterns I've seen many times before. No matter what you might think, I still get to enjoy things. :roll:

I know you do, but I think people worry about it all too much. Sometimes I do too. It was my only real problem with Joe The Barbarian, besides, you know, typos.
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Garofani Spruzzo

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Postby Garofani Spruzzo » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:41 pm

thefourthman wrote:I know you do, but I think people worry about it all too much. Sometimes I do too. It was my only real problem with Joe The Barbarian, besides, you know, typos.


The foreshadowing is there intentionally. If a writer doesn't want you to anticipate, they would leave out the elements that foreshadow what is to come. It's a part of the experience the author wants to relate too.

It's an element to storytelling that makes the reader feel they are in on the joke, or relate to the protagonist. The worry over what you know is coming for them.

The only problem with Demo was the "person-who-fulfills-their-own-prophecy" idea has been done to death. It was done well, and the art was fantastic. It got an 8 from me after all, so my disappointment was rather mild.

I think we are responsible for like half the reviews so far.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:49 pm

Rooster Illusion wrote:The foreshadowing is there intentionally. If a writer doesn't want you to anticipate, they would leave out the elements that foreshadow what is to come. It's a part of the experience the author wants to relate too.

It's an element to storytelling that makes the reader feel they are in on the joke, or relate to the protagonist. The worry over what you know is coming for them.

The only problem with Demo was the "person-who-fulfills-their-own-prophecy" idea has been done to death. It was done well, and the art was fantastic. It got an 8 from me after all, so my disappointment was rather mild.

:P
I'm not trying to defend Demo.

I get all of that. That's why I reread so much. :P I just don't necessarily feel a need to get there, I actually thought it was pretty telegraphed on the second reading and facepalmed myself.

personally, my fear is that I will start reading it for the twist and not the characterization, which is what the book is really about.
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Garofani Spruzzo

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Postby Garofani Spruzzo » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:02 am

thefourthman wrote::P
I'm not trying to defend Demo.

I get all of that. That's why I reread so much. :P I just don't necessarily feel a need to get there, I actually thought it was pretty telegraphed on the second reading and facepalmed myself.

personally, my fear is that I will start reading it for the twist and not the characterization, which is what the book is really about.


Yep, the twist isn't everything and not every book needs one. What I'm saying is I don't feel the need to get there either but a cliche story done well is still a cliche story, and that was the only thing about the new Demo I couldn't rave about.

And there was a twist anyway, I figured she'd fall like in most other similar such tales. So the fact is, I just didn't feel the story was quite as good as the older Demos. It was good, though. And I'm happy Vertigo is putting it out.

In terms of characterization, I hate to say it wasn't quite as genuine-feeling as earlier issues. Of course, the insomnia thing comes across as bogus to me from the start and that comes from unfortunate experience, I'm afraid. Probably reason #1 why I didn't connect with it as well.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:07 am

Rooster Illusion wrote:Yep, the twist isn't everything and not every book needs one. What I'm saying is I don't feel the need to get there either but a cliche story done well is still a cliche story, and that was the only thing about the new Demo I couldn't rave about.

And there was a twist anyway, I figured she'd fall like in most other similar such tales. So the fact is, I just didn't feel the story was quite as good as the older Demos. It was good, though. And I'm happy Vertigo is putting it out.

In terms of characterization, I hate to say it wasn't quite as genuine-feeling as earlier issues. Of course, the insomnia thing comes across as bogus to me from the start and that comes from unfortunate experience, I'm afraid. Probably reason #1 why I didn't connect with it as well.

THe insomnia thing never comes off right... was there insomnia in Punch Drunk Love? If so, then maybe there they got it right. No one ever gets the whole tunnel thing down, I guess it is hard to do.
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Garofani Spruzzo

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Postby Garofani Spruzzo » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:20 am

thefourthman wrote:THe insomnia thing never comes off right... was there insomnia in Punch Drunk Love? If so, then maybe there they got it right. No one ever gets the whole tunnel thing down, I guess it is hard to do.


I never saw it. 2002 was a bad year mostly for my insomnia coincidentally, so even if I had seen it I might not remember. But I didn't see it.

It was not long after that I autodidacticated myself about hypnosis, and in a bout of trial and error self-hypnotized myself to fall asleep during a 1940 L'il Abner movie that I picked up in the local Dollar Store. To this day I have never seen the movie beyond a certain point but the song from the beginning plays in my head a lot, which is a drawback I didn't foresee.

That movie probably saved my life, though. :lol:
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:22 am

seriously, when are you gonna bless us with your autobiography? I will buy a copy for sure.
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Garofani Spruzzo

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Postby Garofani Spruzzo » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:27 am

thefourthman wrote:seriously, when are you gonna bless us with your autobiography? I will buy a copy for sure.


:lol: All these..moments...will be lost...in time. Like tears...in..rain.

My favorite Blade Runner quote.

I noticed though even the L'il Abner song in my head and I am yawning like mad!

I did sorta wish I had picked a different movie instead of just what happened to be in the DVD player randomly but you don't mess with success.
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Eric Ratcliffe

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Postby Eric Ratcliffe » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:40 am

Here we go:

JSA Annual #2 by Keith Giffen, Matt Sturges and Tom Derenick

The story: A mysterious break out at a jail leads The Allstars to make a decision about on of their own and by the end of the issue, our team is down a member.

Keith and Matt work surprisingly well together here as both JSA teams get a lot of screentime. Power girl is havily our lead in this one and manages to put up a good fight against Magog in sections of the book.

Sadly I think this annual could have been much more effect with the use of just one of our teams. Having too many characters running around made things way too chaotic and there are moments of complete dickishness from a handful of the members on both sides. Even Alan at one point which came out of nowhere,

At the end of the day, this cut Magog out of the JSA which makes me happy. Sturges definitely has the superior book and it will be interesting to see some of the ideas paid off of down the line from the issue.

Score: 7

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