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[thefourthman]

The only threads that really need to be answered don't necessarily have to involve Mephisto, the Harry Osborn reveal proves that. The restoration of the secret identity probably has nothing to do with Mephisto.

I know they probably will address it this year, that jigsaw teaser shows that, but I don't think it's necessary, I'm perfectly fine with them not going back to it, and just moving forwards.

The MJ threads definitely deal with it, because there is the secret of whatever she whispered to him. Yeah, you are right though, they should treat it like Morrison's New X-Men and just ignore it, too bad they didn't.

[Punchy]

The MJ threads definitely deal with it, because there is the secret of whatever she whispered to him. Yeah, you are right though, they should treat it like Morrison's New X-Men and just ignore it, too bad they didn't.

I just don't think they should, I know they are, but I don't particularly care about these plotlines. I don't read each issue of ASM and expect Mephisto, or a mention of OMD.

It was supposed to be a brand new day, you don't get that by always looking back.

[thefourthman]

I just don't think they should, I know they are, but I don't particularly care about these plotlines. I don't read each issue of ASM and expect Mephisto, or a mention of OMD.

It was supposed to be a brand new day, you don't get that by always looking back.

I'm all for forward momentum, but you don't set up a storyline like that with an obvious play into the future of the book and not deal with it. That's how you piss long time readers off. If there is no pay off, then OMD was a needless stunt and that would make it worse than it already is.

Morrison's Batman works because he is building a giant, epic story. If he just ignored what he did in Batman and Son, then it would be worthless, meaningless dreck.

[thefourthman]

Back on topic, what do you think about what I said about Volume One and Two of Irredeemable there young british lad?

[Punchy]

Back on topic, what do you think about what I said about Volume One and Two of Irredeemable there young british lad?

I think you're pretty spot-on, the book's not as good as everyone says, but it has enough strong elements.

I find that whenever the focus is on the loosely sketched Paradigm characters, the book suffers, but whenever the focus is on Plutonian, it's very strong.

[ReturnoftheMack]

Wait, you did the thing you complained about Punchy doing. How is that not being hypocritical.

Because I did it on purpose to show him how annoying it is.

[Punchy]

Because I did it on purpose to show him how annoying it is.

Yeah, sure.

You can be annoying just by being yourself!

[Starlord]

Irredeemable #12

This was a little hard for me to digest since it was in the middle of a storyline that seems to be pretty big. I enjoyed it though. I may end collecting this in trades because I did find this new world to be fascinating. Art was okay, nothing great but nothing horrible.

Story:7
Art: 5
My Score: 6

[Mr_Batman]

Another Spider-Man issue?

[S.F. Jude Terror]

There have been hints since the very beginning of Brand New Day to this day that OMD is a story that will resolve itself eventually. This is most evident every time MJ is in the book, because she remembers more than even Peter seems to know. It is a very long process and epic in that manner.

If that's true, it could end up being an incredible story.

[Old Man]

The restoration of the secret identity probably has nothing to do with Mephisto.

Wha...Huh?

[Punchy]

Wha...Huh?

Mephisto didn't cause it, Spider-Man is unaware that OMD happened, that he ever made the deal, but there have been hints that he knows the how and why his secret ID was restored.

It's like the Harry Osborn resurrection, it may have happened with OMD, but it wasn't because of the Mephisto deal, it was because Norman hired Mysterio to fake it.

[Old Man]

Mephisto didn't cause it, Spider-Man is unaware that OMD happened, that he ever made the deal, but there have been hints that he knows the how and why his secret ID was restored.

It's like the Harry Osborn resurrection, it may have happened with OMD, but it wasn't because of the Mephisto deal, it was because Norman hired Mysterio to fake it.

Thanks, Punchy.

That may all be true in the NuSpider-Universe, but it makes no sense to me.

[Punchy]

Thanks, Punchy.

That may all be true in the NuSpider-Universe, but it makes no sense to me.

It's true in this universe too!

[Zero]

Irredeemable #12

Mark Waid is pretty reliable. I don't think I've ever read a truly horrible comic by him. His Fantastic Four run is is pretty great and Kingdom Come is pretty awful but much of his output falls, for me, solidly in the middle. This middle ground is where his Irredeemable writing has landed.

When I read a hero gone bad story, I get the feeling that I've read it before. Even Powers had trouble putting a truly awesome spin on it, and that featured the Gaza strip getting razed and the Pope melting on-panel. Irredeemable has had a couple of these moments, and the murder of Tony's former foster siblings (I think that's what they were anyway) here is a smaller example of the evil that Singapore's destruction earlier but still manages to be a highlight for the book. The portrayal of evil here is always solid.

The good guys, however, are rubbish. Everything about them is flat and uninteresting, with fairly generic powers (with one exception) and costumes and personalities that amount to them disagreeing and infighting while running away from the fight. Also their costumes are some kind of fugly. Even the artwork seems to look worse when our heroes are the focus, looking sketchier and less expressive. The art doesn't really stand out at the best of times, with a sort generic DC house style in effect bringing nothing extraordinary or special to the party but at least when Tony takes centre stage the combination of glowering, cowering and overpowering (ugh, I'm sorry) that goes on brings out the best in Peter Krause.

Ultimately the book is a solid villain comic half the time and a bland superhero book the other half. It balances out as a fairly average book but one that might come into its own as the concept plays out.

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