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Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Punchy » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:13 am

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One cannot eat pictures of biscuits, not can one string water bubbles into a necklace.


You can eat a picture of a biscuit, it just won't taste very nice.

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:22 am

Punchy wrote:
You can eat a picture of a biscuit, it just won't taste very nice.


Whenever living beings distinguish between things, they will have opinions.
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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby BlueStreak » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:42 am

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Zero » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:58 am

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Functional and adequate to you is a zero? John Byrne is functional and adequate and I wouldn't even rate him a zero, though my personal desire would be to do so without hesitation.


The art did nothing more than illustrate the story. Looking at someone like JH Williams or Skottie Young whose art has masses of character and adds something to the writing be it atmosphere, be it cheeky background moments or even just a creative layout it adds to and improves the comic so I'd give it some points.

On the other hand you have someone like Rob Liefield whose art detracts from a story. Put this guy on an issue of even my favourite comic and his work would put me off and lessen my enjoyment so I'd probably score it lower.

With Ivan Reis (or Tom Raney or Mark Bagley or any of the artists on 52) the art just tells the story. No bells, no whistles no impact. It neither adds to nor subtracts from the story and merely sits there. Ivan Reis is an artist neither added nor subtracted from my score because honestly one of a dozen people working in comics today could have done the exact same job.

I did read it though. I read it twice to make sure I genuinely hadn't understood what was going on or why. Even when I don't post reviews I always try and read the comic in question. I've even been surprised. Superboy #1 and Heroes for Hire #something both won me over despite not interesting me in the least. I always have an open mind when reading these books but time and time again Geoff Johns has written comics that are everything I dislike about the superhero genre and written them poorly.

BN #23 probably won't get an overall average of a zero because there are people who can find something in its pages that they'll like. Not me. I honestly found nothing about the book to recommend it so dished out my second zero in a row. I note no-one complained about it last week.

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby chap22 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:22 am

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you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your nose in front of your friends. or all of them will form the opinion that you're gross.
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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Rockman » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:25 am

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Well it was, the JLA was in it.

And the Demon.


Are you thinking of the sandman?

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Punchy » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:31 am

AMS wrote:
Are you thinking of the sandman?


No, I'm thinking of Swamp Thing, Moore's run featured both the JLA and the Demon, amongst others.

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:40 am

Yep, in those days there was no prohibition against characters from the DCU appearing in Vertigo titles. Then there was, for a long time. I'd rather Swamp Thing be put back into the DCU pond than segregated from it entirely again in another Vertigo series. The line is still drawn in the sand, but DC proper is taking back its toys.
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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby ****** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:42 am

AMS wrote:
Are you thinking of the sandman?


Alan Moore's full run was pre-Vertigo.

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:45 am

David Kohl wrote:
Alan Moore's full run was pre-Vertigo.


Was it really? Hard to remember back them, plus I don't think I paid much attention to imprints and bailed out when it got too cosmic before he left the book.
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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby ****** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:14 am

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Was it really? Hard to remember back them, plus I don't think I paid much attention to imprints and bailed out when it got too cosmic before he left the book.


I think Moore's last issue was in 87. Vertigo didn't start until 93.

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Punchy » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:18 am

Yeah, Moore's entire run was pre-Vertigo.

A lot of Vertigo stuff is in the DCU, like Sandman.

I always thought that there should be more back and forth, having a concrete wall between both imprints is unnecessary.

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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:21 am

Punchy wrote:Yeah, Moore's entire run was pre-Vertigo.

A lot of Vertigo stuff is in the DCU, like Sandman.

I always thought that there should be more back and forth, having a concrete wall between both imprints is unnecessary.


That's why I'm fine with him being absorbed back into the DCU.
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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Victorian Squid » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:23 am

David Kohl wrote:
I think Moore's last issue was in 87. Vertigo didn't start until 93.


That sounds right. I was out of reading it before '87 and only read them years later along with the Vertigo stuff so it all runs together in my head not having been reading the book to witness the transition.
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Re: Review Group Week #269: Brightest Day #23

Postby Punchy » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:24 am

Victorian Squid wrote:
That's why I'm fine with him being absorbed back into the DCU.


I agree with you. I don't know why you seemed to be trying to turn this into an argument.

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