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by ****** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:01 pm

Ellisbolts worked because it was something different and because Ellis is Ellis.

This feels like Parker is trying to do Ellisbolts with the sensibilities of the classic Busiek run but by trying to be both it's as good as neither.

by ****** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:06 pm

More than anything for me about this is that I'm just bored with all of the leftover Initiative plotlines.

by **Victorian Squid** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:14 pm

I see your point on that.

by **Starlord** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:27 pm

I thought Ellis was actually a horrible run. One of the few comics I have ever actually dropped and not cared about being a completist over.

by **GLX** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:05 pm

daringd's pick is...?

by **Stephen Day** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:37 pm

This was a fun issue. Satana's reaction to the Man-Thing was interesting and it should be fun to see where this strange relationship goes. I also liked how the interviews were interspersed with the scenes featuring Gothenvald Castle, with the latter being particularly fun. Undead and other supernatural German things in a castle that disappeared from Earth's plane of existence in 1911? What a great concept.

8 out of 10

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:34 pm

starlord wrote:I thought Ellis was actually a horrible run. One of the few comics I have ever actually dropped and not cared about being a completist over.

Yeah I dropped it too. IMO, the concept of government controlled superhero teams of villains was played out about five minutes after someone said "I have an idea... what if we had a government controlled superhero team of villains?"

by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:48 pm

I remember reading it and eBaying it, but it wasn't A-level Ellis...I thought he wrote a pretty good Norman Osborn, didn't he?

by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:24 pm

Why does Bucky get a super-cyborg arm and Walker practically gets a freakin' hook-hand by comparison? :smt013

by **Stephen Day** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:27 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Why does Bucky get a super-cyborg arm and Walker practically gets a freakin' hook-hand by comparison?

I was thinking that when I read this issue too.

by **fieldy snuts** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:41 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Why does Bucky get a super-cyborg arm and Walker practically gets a freakin' hook-hand by comparison?

He refused it. He'd rather be like that than become like Nuke (who crippled him)

by **LobsterJ** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:44 pm

Its pretty stupid but then again so is Johnny Walker.

by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:46 pm

That's retarded, who wrote that?

by **Stephen Day** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:58 pm

Sweet James Jones wrote:
He refused it. He'd rather be like that than become like Nuke (who crippled him)

You know, for some reason, I'd completely forgotten that.

by **fieldy snuts** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:26 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:That's retarded, who wrote that?

Parker.

The rationale was that he see's so much of himself in Nuke and he's scared that becoming part cyborg will drive him over the edge into becoming an insane patriot like Nuke was.

No doubt it's stupid, but I'm expecting him to get his limbs back somehow.