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by **Starlord** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:25 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
Now you know how I felt during Hickman's Ultimates review week

I thought we were the majority on that one.

by **fieldy snuts** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:30 pm

Starlord wrote:
I thought we were the majority on that one.

I was a minority that week :oops:

by **guitarsmashley** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:47 pm

Starlord wrote:
I'm feeling like a minority...

... again...

I'm gonna second class citizen the hell out of you.

by **Amoebas** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:22 am

Starlord wrote:
I'm feeling like a minority...

... again...

Don't cry - I'm right there beside you in your opinion.

(I said "beside" - not behind or in front :-D

)

by **Starlord** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:22 am

Amoebas wrote:Don't cry - I'm right there beside you in your opinion.

(I said "beside" - not behind or in front )

It really is the safest place to be. :lol:

by **Starlord** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:23 am

guitarsmashley wrote:
I'm gonna second class citizen the hell out of you.

Promises promises!

by **guitarsmashley** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:56 am

Starlord wrote:
Promises promises!

You are already in the running for a #2 avatar for october.

by **avengingtitan** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:12 am

fieldy snuts wrote:Aquaman #1 was a fanfic. The entire thing was pretty much a rehash of the same stuff he's used in all his #1's like GL & Flash Reborn and most recently Justice League: Insider jokes bout the perceptions of the character in the real world, a few angry looks and shows of strength lifted from 90's Image comics etc.

The entire thing was a letter from Johns trying to tell us "I know the character's been treated as a joke for years that nobody takes seriously, so lets apply the Johns formula that's been rinsed and repeated countless times over the last few years!". I mean the entire damn issue outside of those piranha people was structured around people treating Aquaman like a joke while he constantly uses Ben Stiller's Blue Steel look. He's basically become Namor with the mood to match.

Who gives a damn whether Aquaman is lame or not to the point where this is what the entire book is about, the entire issue reeked of Johns trying to tell us repeatedly "Boy I used to love this character when I was a kid, lets try the same stuff I did with Barry Allen and Hal Jordan to make him likeable today by adding brooding angst that drive him to make him more like Batman.".

Every damn "Rebirth" story by Johns does these things where he tries to make the character out like an insanely overpowered Mary Sue in debuts while making the perceptions others have of them a massive burden on their shoulders which pushes them to try to excel even further. 3 very diverse characters and the Johns push approach boils down to rinse and repeat. He's doing the same thing with Sinestro now where he made a character modeled after damn Hitler as an antihero with these same elements simply because he wants to write him as a leading story figure. I've grown tired of it, and using it on Aquaman of all characters isn't a winner for me.

I'd wager that if any new readers picked up this book it'd have been from the fake movie in Entourage rather than the character's failures over the years in his solo title. Like I said earlier, the book was a self-deprecating fanfic that was nothing more than lame jokes and brooding looks. Mix that with nice Ivan Reis art and you get Aquaman #1.

So yeah, same old stuff from Johns and some nice art from Reis.

1/10. The score was mostly driven by the art...though you can't have one knock it out of the park and the other one to flounder so badly and still carry it over the line.

Agreed. The art was great though but thats just not enough. Eh I'll go re-read Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis.

by **Jubilee** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:18 am

I just read this (the only nuDC I read).

It was really really bad. :lol:

by **Punchy** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:18 am

I love it when the same book gets a 10 and a 1!

Amazing.

by **Zero** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:44 am

fieldy snuts wrote:
Now you know how I felt during Hickman's Ultimates review week

I thought is was great too, and the second issue was even better.

by **Starlord** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:42 am

Punchy wrote:I love it when the same book gets a 10 and a 1!

Amazing.

This group is nothing if not diverse in its tastes. :-D

by **Punchy** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:03 am

Starlord wrote:
This group is nothing if not diverse in its tastes.

Yeah, but it does mean that the average score is going to be like 6, which is not very indicative.

by **Eli Katz** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:59 am

Punchy wrote:
Yeah, but it does mean that the average score is going to be like 6, which is not very indicative.

You need to calculate not only the mean score, but also the standard deviation for each issue. That way, we'd know the level of consensus on a given book.

http://easycalculation.com/statistics/s ... iation.php

by **Punchy** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:20 pm

Eli Katz wrote:You need to calculate not only the mean score, but also the standard deviation for each issue. That way, we'd know the level of consensus on a given book.

http://easycalculation.com/statistics/s ... iation.php

Eesh, I can't be bothered with that.